YOUR BODY’S CHECK ENGINE LIGHT IS ON—ARE YOU IGNORING IT? | Beth Lambert
Your body has a check engine light. The question is: are you paying attention before it becomes a bigger problem?
A headache. Poor sleep. Gut issues. Anxiety. Skin problems. Fatigue. Changes in mood or behavior.
What if some of the symptoms we’re trying to silence are actually the body trying to communicate?
In this episode of the Crackin’ Backs Podcast, Dr. Terry Weyman and Dr. Spencer Baron sit down with Beth Lambert, author, educator, former healthcare consultant, and Founder and Executive Director of Documenting Hope, to explore a provocative question:
Why can two people experience similar environments and stressors—yet one thrives while the other becomes chronically ill?
Beth introduces the concept of “Total Load”: the cumulative impact of nutrition, stress, environmental exposures, medications, the microbiome, nervous-system regulation, lifestyle and other factors that may influence an individual's resilience. In the conversation, she describes symptoms as a body's “check engine warning light”—a signal worth understanding rather than automatically ignoring.
In this episode, we explore:
Why seemingly unrelated symptoms may deserve a closer look
The connection between the gut microbiome, immune system and resilience
Antibiotics and their potential long-term impact on the microbiome
Environmental toxins, plastics, pesticides and chemical exposures
Stress, nervous-system dysregulation and modern life
The emerging science of the exposome and cumulative environmental exposure
Light, technology, EMFs and the modern home
Why Beth believes health needs to be viewed through a more individualized lens
Her practical 80/20 approach to reducing overwhelm
Three things families can start doing now: reduce unnecessary stress, prioritize whole foods and simplify the home environment Pasted text
This isn't about becoming afraid of everything around you.
It's about becoming more aware of what your body may already be telling you.
Beth’s work focuses particularly on children with chronic health and developmental challenges. Through Documenting Hope, her team studies the cumulative effects of environmental and lifestyle stressors and personalized, systems-based approaches to health. Beth is also the author of A Compromised Generation and co-author of Brain Under Attack. Beth Lambert
Beth and Documenting Hope are bringing together physicians, researchers, practitioners, innovators and families for the Health & Healing Expo by Documenting Hope, November 21–22, 2026, in Orlando, Florida, with a virtual attendance option.
The two-day event explores the connections among the microbiome, nervous system, mitochondria, metabolism, fascia, nutrition, light, neuroscience, regenerative medicine and whole-person health. The Health and Healing Expo
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Dr. Spencer Baron (00:01)
Well, Beth, here's something I can't stop thinking about. Two children grow up in the same home, breathe the same air, they eat the same food and experience many of the same stresses. One thrives, the other develops a collection of symptoms. Nobody can quite explain what they are. So maybe the most important question isn't what caused the s caused the disease. Maybe it's what happened to that child's ability to adapt. What steals our
Resilience, go for it.
Beth Lambert (00:33)
Well, I think the first thing that we need to think about in the context of the question of resilience is what do we as bio individuals carry?
that influences our resilience. And that can be anything from a toxic burden, nutritional deficiencies or nutritional support, emotional issues, epigenetic pieces that we don't even have a full picture on what we're carrying. So, you know, every single person that develops some kind of chronic condition has basically been through their own personal journey
taking on health stressors, lacking health supports.
And you know, it's it's one person's story. So you can't really predict it necessarily because you don't necessarily have the full picture of what's happening with each individual person. You can learn a lot of those things, but really at the end of the day, what makes one person sick and what what makes keeps one person healthy is going to be dependent on thousands of variables, literally thousands of variables. So I think the best thing we can do is try and optimize as many of those variables as possible and be aware and educated.
ourselves as to what makes us healthy and what makes us sick and do the best we can with that.
Dr. Spencer Baron (01:51)
Well, I love that. And in fact I'm so excited about more that you have to say because both Dr. Terry and I were taught in chiropractic college that this was the mantra. Germs don't cause disease. People do. In other words, there's so many other factors. Y you know, y you can be exposed to all these different things. But first I want you to y tell us that
Before documenting hope, total load, or thousands of data points, there was you as a mom. Let's start from there. Take take take us back to that moment you realize I'm being given names for my child's symptoms, but nobody's telling me why they're happening. What did you see that the medical system wasn't seeing?
Beth Lambert (02:34)
Well, you know, it actually started before I had kids because there was a period of time when I worked in healthcare consulting. I worked for pharmaceutical companies, medical device companies, and I kind of got on the belly of the beast for a little while and and really started understanding that it's our healthcare system is more about business than it is about healthcare in many ways. And that's not, you know, universal. There's so many wonderful practitioners out there that are part of the conventional medicine world, but you know, so much of
what is happening in terms of how we manage health is broken because of the business aspects because there's a bottom line because there is you know always money to be made. So I kind of had a beginning of an opening when I was looking at, you know, healthcare and health from that perspective. And then I became a parent. And when I became a parent my my first children had a set of symptoms. They had gut symptoms and skin symptoms and behavioral and sensory. These like when they were toddlers
and I remember my
My mother saying to me, you know, kids weren't like this when you guys were little, you know, and and and she was, and we started looking around at my peers who were having kids. And I was in these baby play groups where every kid seemed to have, you know, ear infections, chronic constipation, explosive diapers, skin rashes, all these things, like what I would call now the soft signs of.
a compromise generation. But it was definitely like these silent alarm bells were going off in my head, like something's not right here. What's going on with these kids? And then as my my kids' symptoms progressed, I went and looked for help. And I knocked on pretty much every conventional medical door because, you know, that's what the world I came from. So I went to an allergist, a gastroenterologist, a psychologist, and was trying to get an understanding for the root causes. Like why are there these symptoms? What's happening here?
And basically all I got was put a cream on it. You know, like that's the answer. That is
Dr. Terry (04:29)
Right.
Beth Lambert (04:29)
the answer we get. And I I was like, Yeah, but why? Why? I'm that like annoying, persistent
parent because I'm sure they all wanted to, you know, quickly usher out of their office. But I had the good fortune of getting in the office of an integrative physician. My sister-in-law also happens to be a naturopath. And you know, very quickly as I started looking at my children's health through those perspectives, a more holistic, integrative, functional kind of perspective, they were giving me answers. They're like, well the microbiome's out of balance. we've got these nutritional deficiencies. have you been to see a chiropractor? You know, all these kinds of things that I wasn't, you know, sort of taught.
In the conventional medical pathway. So, what happened was those symptoms were resolved very quickly. We made some diet changes, you know, I started going to chiropractic, I started using herbs, you know, these were the kinds of things that we did were not hard. I saw profound changes in my own children. And then at the same time, when I was in the office of these, you know, integrative physicians and these different holistic healers, I met other parents. And I met these
Dr. Spencer Baron (05:30)
Mm.
Beth Lambert (05:30)
parents who had kids who had much more severe problems than my own children. Parents who had
Had
severe level three nonverbal autism, people who had kids with rheumatoid arthritis and these autoimmune diseases. And these parents were telling me that their kids were fully reversing their condition. Now, mind you, I had come from this world, this sort of conventional pharmaceutical world, and also both of my grandfathers are surgeons, my dad's a dentist. I came from a very medical world. And I was meeting this parent who was telling me that her child's autism was reversed.
And I was like, wait, I thought that was genetic.
Dr. Spencer Baron (06:04)
Ho ho ho ho.
Beth Lambert (06:06)
I thought autism was something that you have and it's lifelong and there's nothing you can do. Like I I kinda had this conception of autism, like it was similar to Down syndrome. Like you have a chromosomal piece to this that you can't change.
I was schooled by these parents and these practitioners and I soon started, you know, asking more questions. If this is possible for these kids, well, who else does this happen for? What else is reversible? And why is no one talking about this? So I went on it was like literally a fire in my belly where I was like, this is insane that we have children who are suffering and having these conditions diagnosed for life.
Because somebody's not asking the right questions about what's causing the symptoms that we call autism or lupus or rheumatoid arthritis or whatever it is. And so that sent me out on a quest, and I was like, all right, this is reversible in my own kids in terms of their symptoms. This is reversible in these people I'm meeting in these offices, and these practitioners are like, yeah, no, we totally reverse these conditions all the time. And then I had just come out of the conventional medical community where the model is to sell pharmaceuticals. And then I was like, this is not okay. This is not.
Okay, we have to change this system, and the first thing we need to do is let people know about it. So that's where I started. I was like, we gotta tell people, people need to know about this. Meanwhile, there's all these practitioners sort of on the margins in the periphery that you know aren't part of our insurance system, are part of our payer system who know this stuff, have known this for decades, but like the average person doesn't know this, and they certainly don't access it because it's not offered to them through their you know Medicare or Medicaid or their insurance plans. So that is my origin story, and I have
have never stopped since. Like I'm on I'm on a tear about this.
Dr. Terry (07:46)
You're on a quest.
Dr. Spencer Baron (07:47)
I l right. I love the energy. I actually got a little goosebump action there. This is good.
Beth Beth, I I have to agree that this is this is probably the most ripe time for all this this
you know, old way of thinking and this new paradigm to be opening up the way you believe and others are starting to realize. So th this is this is a great conversation to have. So I wanna I wanna ask you, you know, for the audience, the listening and viewing audience, you know, before there's actually a diagnosis, is the body already warning that it's losing now, we call it resilience, but i I mean
It's also resistance. It's resistance to infection and other conditions. What what are we missing here? What what are some of the particular points that maybe viewers or listeners could identify with?
Beth Lambert (08:42)
Well so symptoms are communication, right? Like you get a symptom, I don't care if it's a sinus infection or a rash on your knee or a headache, that's your check engine warning light, right?
Dr. Spencer Baron (08:53)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (08:53)
And I just don't think we were trained culturally to think about that. You know, like we we just weren't because, and you know, I really do think I I take that back. Culturally, we used to think this way. Like if you go back 150 years, 200 years, people did kind of think a little bit more like this. And certainly in traditional practices, traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurveda, they obviously think that way. But in sort of the Western modern mind, especially post-World War II, you know, where we had this experience of being experienced.
Exposed to pills, these miracle pills, like antibiotics. Like think about that, right? Like you get tuberculosis and you have an antibiotic, and e that's the difference between you dying and you walking out of the hospital and being okay. That is a profound capture of our imagination on what a pill can do for us. So we have in the last, I would say, 75 to 100 years, really been captured by this idea that there's a pill for every ill. So if I have an ill, I seek that pill. The problem is that is
completely t training us or teaching us to ignore that the check engine light came on for a reason because something's broken, something's out of balance, something needs attention.
So I feel like that's just a a mindset shift, a cultural shift, where we have to go back to this idea of if you have a symptom, I don't care what it is, is it depression, is it anxiety, is it eczema, that is your body saying something's out of balance, sweetheart, it's time for you to check under the hood and see what's going on.
Dr. Spencer Baron (10:25)
So so how some some warning signs. How how soon do they come on to certain conditions? I mean, I know that's a little bit of a a challenging answer to have, but like when should somebody start paying attention to a blemish or a w different way of the different way of thinking where there's depress how w how would how would you t handle that?
Beth Lambert (10:50)
Well, if it's me and you're like a little bit of a hypochondriac, you like every blunt you're like, what is that? What's the root cause? That's that's not that's not
Dr. Spencer Baron (10:53)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Beth Lambert (10:57)
typical. I'm not saying that's healthy either. But I but I but come on, like that's how we should we should be so in tune with our bodies that we should know and recognize if something's out of bounds.
Right? Like if we can't sleep at night, like there's so there's a reason why. Or if we have you know, if our stomach's upset about there's a reason why. so I don't think it needs to be like this reactive, like every time we have a symptom we need to be like, I need to go on a diet or get a supplement or see a doctor or whatever. But I do think
We should be in like paying attention and listening. You know, it's I I think we are so disconnected from ourselves and we externalize everything. I see this a lot with parents too, where they, you know, something's wrong with their child and they immediately rush to the pediatrician instead of going into their own heart space and their own intuition to try and f you know really tune into what's going on. I remember being a young parent and being surrounded by moms when their daughter when their children would have a small fever, like a ninety-nine. They'd c
Call
the pediatrician in a panic, and I'd be like, You guys, fevers are normal. Like, what is happening here? You know, so that we've been trained that way to outsource anything that's related to health. That's true for our children and for ourselves. And I think we would be in a much better place if we learned how to listen to our bodies and pay attention and make even just micro adjustments, right? Like, my back's hurting. Maybe I'm doing something that well, my back needs to treated a little differently. It's it's the micro adjustments and listening to that.
communication that could change everything for us.
Dr. Terry (12:27)
Hm.
You know, while you're talking, I'm looking at the picture behind you of the icebergs, which is one of my favorite metaphors
Dr. Spencer Baron (12:34)
Ha ha.
Dr. Terry (12:35)
in life. You know, what we see on the surface is not what's really happening underneath. And you know, why are i if you look at that picture, some icebergs are bigger than others. And so why is someone's bucket list overflowing and that their sibling is not? What are what determines our resistance and resilience?
Beth Lambert (12:56)
so that that that's going back to this idea of like everything that you experience in your life can be cumulative and either add towards your resilience or take away from it, right? So that's even epigenetic. And the more the deeper we get into epigenetics and understanding how our ancestors
How they've lived and the choices they made, how that impacts our life, the more we understand our vulnerabilities. So there, you know, there's incredible work by Dr. Claudia Miller, who is an allergist immunologist at the University of Texas at Austin. And she's done this incredible body of work around this concept of tilt, which is called toxicant induced loss of tolerance. And her her, you know, she started in this area looking.
At
multiple chemical sensitivity and how people get like kind of immune-primed. So if you've had a lot of exposure to chemicals, synthetic chemicals, it's going to make you more reactive to other chemicals subsequent. And it creates a sort of downward cascade where your immune system is much more reactive and creates more inflammation more quickly than somebody who hasn't been exposed to those toxicants. But her work has also found that that is not just for the individual vessel, the body, the thing, you know, the singular person. That's epigenetic.
That means if your grandmother had a lot of toxic exposures to synthetic chemicals, that's literally passed along the germline. It goes from down to into subsequent generations. And there's now companies that can test the DNA adducts to see where those expressions are on the DNA. So you come into this world with more propensity for reaction, for inflammation, for an immune response if your ancestors have had toxic exposures.
Exposures. Like, doesn't that just blow your mind? So the babies being born today come in so much more vulnerable just because the subsequent the the prior jet generations.
Had toxic exposures, had synthetics, had chemicals. You know, and then again, going back to this idea, it's only been 7500 years that we've really lived in this hyperintensive synthetic world. You know, for generations before that, humans weren't in had didn't have to interface with those kinds of exposures. So let me come back to your original question, which is that just think about epigenetic vulnerability. Just think about that one piece, right? So some people are gonna come in with more epigenetic vulnerability than others, more propensity to react, more
propensity for.
Inflammation. And then on top of that, you add every single toxic assault. So, like let's take the microbiome for instance. You had, let's say, you have an infant who had five or six ear infections in the first year of life and had an antibiotic for every single one of those infections. That child, as opposed to somebody who didn't have antibiotics, is going to be so much more vulnerable to every toxic influence. They're not going to be able to digest and assimilate their nutrients as well. That's going to create further cascading vulnerability because.
They don't have the resources and this what they need for their cells to repair themselves and protect themselves. So it it really is. I it's why I love this concept of total load, because each individual person has a very bio-individual and specific total load of environmental toxicants and exposures and experiences that determine their overall resilience or their vulnerability. And it isn't just toxins or pharmaceuticals, it's emotional. You know, that we're looking, going back to that epigenetic thing, you have people who were like,
you know, victims of torture and that c that creates a vulnerability. You have people whose nervous systems are completely dysregulated because they're in a stressful environment. That makes them more vulnerable.
So that's why I think we are, you had said in a moment ago that we're kind of in this new age where we're thinking differently about health. It's because we've reached this tipping point where the one size fits all pharmaceutical-based model doesn't work. It just doesn't work. So we have to think bioindividually. We have to look at each individual person's resilience and look at what they need to restore balance. I mean that's really just the model of the future, isn't it?
Dr. Terry (17:07)
Wow. You know, we're talking y what
Dr. Spencer Baron (17:09)
Beautiful.
Dr. Terry (17:10)
you're just talking about is what now people consider normal, right? So I had a great conversation with my son Lance and he was telling me about 'cause we were asking I was asking different questions and he was he said back in our generation and my father's generation there was drinking fountains everywhere and then we wanted to make it more
Beth Lambert (17:27)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (17:28)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Terry (17:29)
convenient. So they said, Hey, why don't we put this water in a bottle and now they can carry it around and now we have this toxic
environment of all this plastic around and
Dr. Spencer Baron (17:38)
Yeah.
Dr. Terry (17:41)
and it just and the conversation went from there. What are and I and I start thinking about my gosh future generations are gonna ask, my gosh, what were we doing? What do you think what stressors and the data you're seeing is good that we should be paying attention to now that so we don't say how did we ever miss this?
Beth Lambert (18:02)
there's so many. I mean th this sometimes the it's so overwhelming thinking about that. but I think that
there are certain categories of stressors that are probably worse than others. and we had through Documenty Hope we ran a study called the CHIRP study, which is paused right now. We hope to reopen it again. But essentially it's a an a survey, a massive questionnaire for our parents to fill out that takes an inventory of how their children live and it correlates all the those data points with health outcomes. So we ask questions about, you know, like what was the birth like and what kinds of exposure what was the neonatal
Period, like what was what happened in the first year of life, what is our food like? What kind of laundry detergent? What kind of toothpaste? Like all those questions, right? And what we what we found, because the data set is massive, and it the breadth of information you get on one individual person allows for a lot of queries and inquiries into what is it that makes somebody sicker than the other. And one of the categories that bubbled up, well, a couple categories surprised us, but the category that bubbled up to the top as one of the most influential stressors or categories.
categories of stressors in terms of health outcomes, worse health outcomes, was antibiotics. And so the overuse of antibiotics, as we all know, is a major issue, right? Because it, you know, the the impact to the microbiome affects your ability to detoxify, to pull nutrients out of the body. It regulates the immune system. I mean, it is such a massive part of our health, the microbiome.
So the more antibiotics a child had, the worse the health outcomes were. so we don't have enough data to publish that yet, but you have enough data to see which way the wind is blowing, right? So when you asked about, you know, what is the thing that our, you know, future generations are going to look back and be like, what idiots? I know they're gonna say that about antibiotics. And there is a wonderful gastroenterologist in Southern California named Dr. Sabine Hazen, who
Dr. Terry (19:55)
She's been there show.
Dr. Spencer Baron (19:56)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (19:57)
then you know I'm talking about. Like she talks about all the time, save the biff. Be
be she talks about it
Dr. Spencer Baron (20:01)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (20:02)
like an ecologist, right? Like this is existential. We are we are absolutely extincting the human microbiome. And and and we c at some point it is irreversible. Like I think that is a very real concern and consideration. I think we're waking up to it soon enough. Like I do think that you can repair the microbiome, and I think nature always has a way of balancing itself out. But I do think that we're talking about species level.
Extinction in the microbiome. Like we're gonna we're getting it's like oxalobacter, like people can't take oxalates anymore because of what we've done to the microbiome. So that would be my top category, I think. The next category would be chemical exposures. Remember, I was talking about epigenetics and how that carries down. You're gonna have you know, grandchildren and great grandchildren being like, damn it, my great-grandma was exposed to all of these like synthetic chemicals, and I'm paying the price because I'm super reactive to everything, and I have MCAS and I have all these like.
Immune dysregulation issues. That's the other one. They're gonna be like, why do we dump all these synthetic chemicals? Pesticides on our food? Herbicides on our food? Are you kidding me? Like, what idiots? Like that is what they're gonna be looking at us, you know, and and and and embarrassed for ourselves. Like, why do we do that? I mean, and there are other categories, I there are so many, but those to me stand out as probably the most influential in a multi-generational context.
Dr. Spencer Baron (21:25)
Hey, does sh she remind you of the story Dr. Lindsay Berkson told us about how this woman has all her life had been practicing a natural holistic health care, even as a as a as a physician. And she couldn't understand why she kept getting, you know, cancers, breast cancers, uterine cancers. So and someone said, Maybe it's not you. So she went back now, this woman's like in her s late seventies and she's v
just got so much energy and looks fantastic, right, Terry? What did she
Dr. Terry (21:59)
Right.
Dr. Spencer Baron (21:59)
do? She went bet she went to the New York the hospital in New York that she was that her mother gave birth to her, pulled the records that dusted off the paper records and found that the mom was on dietyl still bestol.
Beth Lambert (22:17)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (22:18)
And that
was why. So now she had a reason and was able to manage it that way. This woman is is I w an inspiration to all.
Dr. Terry (22:25)
Is incredible. Yeah.
Dr. Spencer Baron (22:29)
But anyway, that was so that just is you know, just profiles your conversation even more so, even further back as to how your parents handled
Beth Lambert (22:39)
But that
it's such a underrecognized but important part of our health that this is a multi-generational phenomenon. And there's things that you can do. So you can go back and look at your hospital records and see what you might have been exposed to to help you tailor it. But I think the the the main takeaway is that like it really is bioindividual, right? Like you have to know your history and your parents' history, and you can make some inferences even if you don't have the information. But it's important it's it to think about it multi-generationally.
Dr. Terry (23:07)
So what would you do let me ask you really quick, what would you do if you're adopted?
Beth Lambert (23:11)
Ugh, such a well I'm gonna give an answer that not everybody would agree with, but
You can there's so man there's so much we can do in terms of you know, testing, right? Like you could do genomic testing for somebody who's adopted and you can learn about your vulnerabilities that way. and I think you can learn a lot actually. But I also think that you can work with people who are kind of intuitive, you know, medical intuitives, people who have s can provide some insights on in the psychosocial, emotional, spiritual realm that maybe the rest of us don't have access to yet or we haven't trained ourselves to. So
I think, you know, you c there's some testing you can do, but I think there's also sometimes you just have to lean on other lesser known and lesser qualified skill sets out there to figure those kinds of things out.
Dr. Spencer Baron (24:00)
We had a w woman on twice. She's a therap psychologist. past life regressions and the healing
Beth Lambert (24:06)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (24:07)
stories that came on w
I mean th this right far reaching. We talk about like not just generations, we're talking centuries ago of lives in the past. Anyway, let me ask you, you started to allude to you know, some of the conditions, you know. So could different diagnoses actually be different expressions of like the same underlying biological stresses and I mean, do we have any you know, real evidence for that so far?
Beth Lambert (24:32)
I mean I I don't
I don't know the answer to that, whether we have real evidence on that so far, but what I can tell you, I I believe, is that weaknesses and vulnerabilities show up for a reason. So if you think about us as sort of like these this, you know, creation of consciousness, where you know, some people believe we come in to learn lessons. And and you know, there's all different kinds of spiritual traditions that talk about what life is and why we're here. And some people believe that we are here to learn lessons. And even if you don't believe we're here to learn lessons.
You can believe that your body is a reflection of consciousness and something going on in your consciousness, right? Like they're not separate, they are one and the same. So if you go to traditions like Ayurveda, traditional Chinese medicine, they very much subscribe to the fact that a body is a reflection of something psychosocial, emotional, spiritual. For example, the chakras. And they talk about, like, let's say you have a thyroid condition. They wouldn't necessarily do, like, look at your TPO and your TSH and all that. They'd look at your your throat.
throat chakra and they'd say, you have an energetic blockage in your throat.
And what is that about? Are you feeling like you can't express yourself? Are you feeling like you have your voice has been silenced? You know, there is that element of things show up in our in specific places in our body for a reason because it is a reflection of something you need to know and understand about your life and your experience. you know, there's there's a lot of wonderful healers who help support people who have cancer diagnoses. And one of the things I've learned from some
These healers are things like breast cancer. Breast cancer is very common among a certain archetype of woman who tends to be the caregiver and is always giving and nurturing, but doesn't care for herself in the way that she needs to care for herself. So why does breast cancer show up in that person and not lung cancer or brain
Dr. Spencer Baron (26:27)
Whoa whoa.
Beth Lambert (26:29)
cancer? And and so I I don't have the evidence to support that. This is just something that I you know can relate in.
In comp from conversations I've had with probably hundreds of people who are in this space of health and healing, and how do they know how to help people? You have to address the emotional issues. You have to address the psycho, social, emotional, spiritual issues. That's a part of your health. You're not just biochemistry, you're not just atoms and molecules. You are a consciousness, you are a being with feelings. Those feelings get stored. I mean, I'm sure you are familiar with the the body keeps the score and the IFS system and the all of these things where.
Where we store emotions in our body, you know, and and things that aren't expressed, they stagnate. I mean, that's an old traditional Chinese medicine kind of concept that when you're when things flow, you're healthy. When you have things that are stuck, including emotions, the stagnation is bad. Stagnation is means you're gonna have health problems. So I don't think there's sciences there yet. That's okay, because people find answers through some of the traditional healers and and systems and and ways of thinking. And
And and they're beautiful and they're helpful and why not use those?
Dr. Spencer Baron (27:42)
I mean you could actually go into a another country, more A you know, an Asian country that that uses acupuncture as one of their main approaches to healthcare. And I mean, their approach to diagnosis is so different than the way we do it here. They'll look at your tongue, the the texture, the s
Beth Lambert (28:00)
Yes.
Dr. Spencer Baron (28:01)
the topography, the skin your skin. There'll be a there's
Beth Lambert (28:04)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (28:04)
six we only check for one pulse on the wrist. They check for six pulses on each wrist that correspond. I mean,
how is that
And they can tell you what's wrong. You know
Dr. Terry (28:15)
Right.
Beth Lambert (28:15)
Enough.
Dr. Spencer Baron (28:16)
you know so w
Beth Lambert (28:16)
I know. Deep respect, because
it's thousands of years that it took them to develop these systems. You know, thousands
Dr. Spencer Baron (28:21)
Yes.
Beth Lambert (28:22)
of years. Just think of the the refinement. And this was like in a pre-digital age when you people actually used to be able to focus and tune in and listen. It's it's it's profound. And I I do think people are getting back to some of those traditional ways and and giving them respect in a way of may maybe fifty years ago they were completely dismissed. But I feel like there is a reemergence of traditional medicines and ancestral ways.
Dr. Spencer Baron (28:49)
I believe so. I tell my interns all the time that it's so easy to be a great doctor 'cause they
The other ones are terrible out there. And if you're taking insurance, they're only allowed seven minutes. I mean, this isn't the average. They're only a doctor can only spend seven minutes with you if it's the doctor. It's usually the physician assistant. So how do you diagnose somebody in seven minutes if you if you're rushing through and getting their history? Anyway, that's a whole nother story. But I want to touch off on something that's an this is a new word for me. Exposome. Exposome. Science is increasingly studying this concept and our
you know, cumulative lifetime exposures or something. You've been talking about total load for years. Is science finally catching up to what you've been seeing?
Beth Lambert (29:35)
think so. I mean I I do think we are still very
reductionists in our thinking. So most of the papers that are coming out that are looking at toxic chemicals and things that we're exposed to in the exposome are still single molecule single outcome, right? So it's like, how does this lead impact neurodevelopment? How does this BPA affect the endocrinus system? Like we still that's how we publish our science and our research. I am increasingly seeing, you know, combos of things. You know, you like you see a paper where they might have looked at fluoride and aluminum together and how does that, you know, how do they they the synergistic
Effect of that, or I should say more the compounding and worsening effect. One makes the other more toxic. I think there's more of that coming. I would love
Dr. Spencer Baron (30:17)
Mm.
Beth Lambert (30:17)
to keep pushing the envelope with that. So in our in our CHIRP study, where we took all of these very vast and disparate data points about children and how they're living, what we found, one of the coolest conclusions that we what we think we can arrive at, we still need more data to publish, but is that total load is a thing. It is absolutely
Validated by this by the data we've collected through this questionnaire in that the more health stressors a child has, the worse the health outcomes. Like just period. Like it is very clear it's a curvilinear kind of relationship. so do some of those stressors have a greater impact than others? Yes, for sure. But it is really just like you know, a very simple concept of our bodies just have too many toxic exposures, stressor, and stressors generally. So that
could be emotional stressors, that could be like job stress, whatever it is, that our bodies don't have the capacity to handle. So I feel like we are, you know, exposome is like one piece of that, you know, and I think the stress and the pace of modern life is not really covered in the exposome research. But boy, is that a stressor on our health. Like I think about the average like suburban family who is running around with two working parents trying to, you know, get their
kids educated and run them around here and and do the good job at and keep
Dr. Spencer Baron (31:42)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (31:43)
up with what they need to do professionally and you know it's just it is incredibly stressful and that is part of the exposome that we don't really talk about but I think we really need to.
Dr. Spencer Baron (31:57)
There's I I think the floodgates are opening and
We're starting to notice the things that we've taken for granted for so many years are becoming a real issue for our health. And I wonder if this is part of what ex exposomes is. You know, dental amalgams. Now they're starting to talk about the mercury that's been that we've been laid into our teeth for so many years that they denied was an issue for brain.
Beth Lambert (32:24)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (32:24)
but you're always chewing and pieces are breaking off or the dust from it or what have you are a factor. Is that kind
Considered an exposome? W yeah. Yep. Okay.
Beth Lambert (32:33)
The mercury and your for sure, for sure.
Dr. Spencer Baron (32:37)
All right. Good. Yeah. Yeah.
Beth Lambert (32:38)
And you know, you store it too. So and and
the health of your microbiome determines to what degree you store it. So I when I was researching my book, it was like almost 20 years ago, I came across this study that I thought like it blew my mind where they had taken two groups of mice and they had fed one group of mice antibiotics and the other group did not have antibiotics. And then they fed both groups of mice mercury.
And what they found is that the group that had not had the merc the antibiotics excreted the mercury in its stool. The group of mice that had received the
Dr. Spencer Baron (33:18)
It's outrageous.
Beth Lambert (33:19)
antibiotics retained
The mercury in its fatty tissues. So like its brain and then its liver. Just think about that for a second. When you take the antibiotics, you wipe out your gut bacteria, you make yourself so much more vulnerable to storing toxins. And if you had just had an intact microbiome, it was do your do the job of helping you demethylate that mercury and help you excrete it from your body. So that we don't think about. You know, in the exposome, when I talked about Dr. Sabine and her work on, you know, save the
biff
and keep our microbiome intact, that's what she's talking about. We are much more vulnerable to environmental toxins and the exposome because we're destroying our first line of defense. And that's our microbiome.
Dr. Spencer Baron (34:04)
With that said, and we're here's another f opener to of the floodgates, but now there this whole thing about like what I asked you before about the diagnosis of cancer. And the you know, it it's your diagnosis, it's like a blanketed statement, but there's so many reasons why you could have a, you know, mass a you know, breast cancer or uterine cancer or or brain or what have you. Now they're finding this I thought this was
This was a little bit of hype, but turbo cancers
Beth Lambert (34:34)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (34:35)
and where they're coming from. I mean, the
Beth Lambert (34:37)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (34:38)
COVID vaccine. Well,
Beth Lambert (34:40)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (34:41)
there is the smoking gun that you're going to hear about. And I just found out about this even yesterday. Talk about Expicell. The the they they there was the first patient that had heart cancer,
w
They they did a DNA study and found actual Pfizer, the the d some of the DNA that they use to produce the COVID vaccine in this in this person's heart, in the in the cancer.
Beth Lambert (35:14)
Devastating.
Dr. Spencer Baron (35:15)
Yeah. And that's what they're now calling the smoking gun. Watch, you'll you'll start hearing about it now more than ever because it's just came out like a couple days ago.
I wanna get back to total load. You know, what parts of total load are like are strongly you know what you're thinking they're strongly supported today by maybe, you know, what parts of are still a hypothesis?
Beth Lambert (35:37)
Mm-hmm. So I think the e everybody's willing to get on board with chemicals.
Right. I think everyone like I don't feel like there's a lot of resistance from the main population in in in United States or the Western world in terms of like everyone acknowledges chemicals are bad and people don't want them in their lives. But oftentimes they just don't know what is chemical and what's not. It's like people have laundry detergent and cleaners and they don't think of them as chemicals. But if someone said to them, This is a neurotoxin, you don't want it in your house, they might be like, yeah, you're right. I don't
it's just that we culturally we're kind of like we just kind of we're on cruise control and we don't really think about things until somebody presents us with it. I also hate being that doom and gloom person that's like everything's toxic. Like nobody likes that person. And I I've learned that the hard way. But I I think there are other things that are subtler that are part of the total load that we don't give credence to. And one example would be light, and the other one would be.
EMF. So light would be an example of there is physiological stress, oxidative stress on your body, on your cells and tissues when you when you are under synthetic LED lighting. The the spectrum of light that you are exposed to can either support your health or
Or hurt your health. We moved, I don't remember how many years ago it was, a couple years ago under Biden when they took out incandescence off the market. I like I heard that they were taking incandescence off, and I went on a buying spree and I just hoarded as many incandescent light bulbs as I could because I knew that LEDs were dangerous to your health. And the vast majority of people, their homes are completely 100% LED. Now the LEDs are getting better, and there are some companies now that are developing.
LEDs that are full spectrum that have much more health supporting light technology. So that is emerging and changing. But I say the vast majority of people, some people are really sensitive to it. Like you can, you know, you have people who can walk into a home that is LED lighting, that's like that cooler, kind of bluer light, who feel physically sick in that environment.
There are people that are sensitive that way. And then they'll feel perfectly fine, incandescent. And of course, the preferred light is just to be outside. Right? That's one of those things that if we could just be outside, it would be wonderful. That light environment is most helpful and supportive. So I think lighting is one of those things that we don't give credence to that is part of the total load, synthetic lighting, I should say. And then the other thing is electromagnetic radiation. We can't see it, we can't taste it, we can't touch it, we don't know that it's there most of the time.
But we are bathed in it. We are awash in these non-native electromagnetic radiation exposures. So that comes from your Wi-Fi, your cell phone, your smart fridge, your smart television, your smart everything. Like the modern American home is just like a giant microwave, just constantly irradiating us. And I think the science is starting to catch up, demonstrating that that is harmful.
And you know, it's the it's not it's like one of these things that how do you how do you measure, you know, it's not one-to-one. We're like, you know, we've been slowly building up our exposure to Wi-Fi. It started a little bit and now it's, you know, if you live in an apartment, you could open up your phone and see 45 Wi-Fi routers within close proximity, and you're being exposed to all that radiation. And there is science now to support that that's harmful. On a cellular level, that is hurting our health. So it's uphill.
Battle, I think, to to convince the public of that, partly because we're all addicted to our digital lives. We are all addicted to the convenience. I mean, myself included. I'm sitting here, you know, with a laptop. I have I have Wi-Fi on. Usually I'm hardwired, but today I have my Wi-Fi on. but we
Dr. Terry (39:36)
Ha ha ha.
Beth Lambert (39:38)
are that is our life. That is our life. It is digital, it is wireless, and it is dangerous. But that's part of the total load. You better believe that is affecting our immune system. It's
It's
affecting our microbiome, it is affecting our our cells and their ability to function properly, but we don't give it any credence. We really don't. I think that's gonna change, but not right now. Those would be my top two.
Dr. Spencer Baron (40:04)
Okay, so let's put that into perspective. You mentioned light, you know, incandescent for this is natural sunlight and then EMFs, electromagnetic radiation or frequencies, but those were your top two to avoid. But you know, here
Let's let's bring this down for some people here that are listening again. people can become completely overwhelmed with all that's going on, like you mentioned, but you know, just to list them, like plastics, pesticides, foods, mold, stress, you know, medications that they've taken in their microbiome, air quality, and so on. We had a guest on a a a chiropractor actually, who he he he talked about natural home, you know, the paint, the floor, the the carpeting, that I mean, we you could go crazy, remember, Terry?
So
Dr. Terry (40:53)
yeah.
Dr. Spencer Baron (40:53)
yeah,
and so suddenly,
Beth Lambert (40:54)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (40:55)
you know, being healthy sounds like a full time full-time job. So all of us can feel a little bit overwhelmed. So if someone believes their bucket is full,
Beth Lambert (41:05)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (41:06)
what are the get get just what are the first three things? Now I know you mentioned light and I know you mentioned, you know, EMFs, but is there anything else that someone can start doing on Monday?
Beth Lambert (41:16)
Yeah, so I think the first n the number one thing they can do is learn the eighty twenty rule, which is you do the best you can with eighty percent of the things that are in your control and you let the rest go. Because honestly, the stress about all the toxic things in our environment is probably worse than all the toxic things in our environment, right? Like if your nervous system is on higher alert all the time, being like, my god, you can't eat food, you become orthorexic,
Dr. Terry (41:33)
Right, right, right. Right.
Beth Lambert (41:40)
you can't, you know, live because you're so stressed about that. So it's the eighty twenty rule. That's that would be my number one.
The number two thing would be embrace natural in your food. Because that is something you are controlling three times a day, right? At least. Some people are doing more than that. But you know, you can control putting synthetic things into your body or not. So you do the best you can by eating just whole foods as close to their natural form as possible.
Like and and just know that every time that you're doing that, you're nourishing your body. So it's not just about like eliminating the bad stuff, you're like, I'm putting the good stuff in to give my body resilience. I mean, if you think about it, it's a two-way street, right? Not only are you putting the toxins in, but you are building resilience. So when you eat that green pepper, which is loaded with vitamin C, you are giving your body what it needs to combat that, you know, o oxidative stress that's coming in from that herbicide that you just were exposed to. So
Putting the food in that's good to nourish your body and give it what it needs to fight and combat that level of stressors, that's, you know, such a empowering piece of this, right? And then the third thing I would say would be control what you can in your home environment. So, you know, if you're like you can't go out and replace all the LEDs, that's okay. That's okay. Maybe take some steps like turn your lights down low at night and reduce sort of that blue light exposure which suppresses your melatonin. Or
you know, if you have products that you use, I I always I crack up that we use so many products. Like why do we think we need all these everything like we need laundry detergent and toothpaste and moisturizing cream and like all these things. Like why do we need all this, right? Because people a hundred years ago, like it's funny, I I looked at pictures of of my peers in college and nobody was wearing makeup. Nobody was wearing makeup in college. Like nobody was using
Dr. Terry (43:29)
Ha ha
Beth Lambert (43:30)
creams and soaps and like we were like a bar soap and
You know, like it was so much simpler, but
Dr. Spencer Baron (43:34)
Yeah. Yeah.
Beth Lambert (43:36)
we have been we are Americans and we consume and we're sold to and we are marketed to and we love how things smell and touch and feel and like that's just part of our culture. So I think if we just take the long view, like I was a hi I was a history major in undergrad. I always take the long view on things, right? And I'm like
People didn't used to be like this. Like snap out of it. Like you don't need all this stuff and things, right? So if we can take a an inventory of how we're living in our homes and we can just say, okay, let's just do more natural things. Like if you need soap, don't get the smelly one, just get the basic one. If you need something to clean, okay, fine. But make sure it doesn't have like all these ingredients in it that you don't even know what they are. So it's really just about get as close to natural.
in as many things in your home environment as you possibly can. And then don't get obsessed with reading the labels. Just like get
Dr. Spencer Baron (44:28)
Hmm.
Beth Lambert (44:28)
something simple and natural in as many places as you can.
Dr. Terry (44:34)
All right, I gotta ask this. How many kids do you have? Boys, girls?
Beth Lambert (44:37)
I have three. I have two girls
and a boy, and they're two in college and one in high school.
Dr. Terry (44:44)
How do you navigate these kids when they're exposed to all their stuff and and how do how as a mom, how do you navigate the kids when they come home and they go, Sarah has this, I want that. How do you navigate that world?
Beth Lambert (44:57)
Well, let me tell you what I would like to do and then what I actually did. So so I I will say one of the best things. I I've moved around a couple of times as my kids were growing up. And one of the best things that ever happened to me in one town I lived in, I lived in one town for about seven years, is that somehow miraculously I found this group of moms who were crunchy.
Right? They lived more naturally. They went to the holistic doctors. We shared a chiropractor, like a group of country moms, and their kids were my kids' friends. So I had this
Dr. Spencer Baron (45:30)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (45:31)
one little bubble of time of seven years when my kids and their friends were all doing the natural things. And
Dr. Spencer Baron (45:39)
Right on.
Beth Lambert (45:40)
it was normal because it was social that, like you do what you're you want to belong. That's like the most.
Like primary and fundamental human need is to belong, right? So if you can put in your social environment other people who think like you that way, and I'm not saying we need to be like this all monolithic thinking this way, diversity is great, but I think if you can get around other people who are a little bit more natural and more holistic in your community and like your kids' friends.
That is gold. That is gold because then it's not a resistance. It's just what you do. Like, yeah, we make our own sauerkraut. You come on over to try some of mine. Like it's just normal, right? But then if you don't have that, and that and I realize that's very hard for many, many people. And I've lived in other places where I didn't have that. I think the best you can do is educate, but not badger. And I've tested that out with my my own kids. Like I definitely get the eye rolls and like, my God, I'm so tired of your like health obsession.
Dr. Spencer Baron (46:36)
Ha ha ha
Beth Lambert (46:38)
I I have teenagers, you know, and and I I think that that comes back to the eighty twenty rule too, which is like you let a lot of stuff go, but you continue to try and educate and support and you know and hope for the best. And I'll tell you, this is my this is what is my my North Star on this whole thing. Do you guys know Jordan Rubin? He started the what is the what is the name of that company? Now I'm forgetting it. It's like the supplement com Garden of Life. I knew I'd get it. Garden of Life.
Dr. Spencer Baron (47:07)
yeah.
Dr. Terry (47:07)
yeah, yeah, yep. Yep.
Beth Lambert (47:07)
Yeah. Okay,
so his story was is like an inspiration to me because from what I understand, and I probably have like a few pieces of this wrong, he was raised by a super crunchy hippie granola mom who like, you know, made
Dr. Spencer Baron (47:20)
Ha ha.
Beth Lambert (47:20)
all her all his own food and you know, they probably wore hemp. I don't know, they just were very sort of natural in and that was his upbringing. And then apparently he went off to college, and when he went off to college, he developed such severe Crohn disease, Crohn's disease, that that he dropped so much weight he had to be hospitalized. I think he was like
a six foot man and that was like 90 pounds or something like that. very, very, very sick autoimmune disaster. He says that it was because when he when he got out in the world, he got unleashed from the natural and he could have pizza and beer and do all these things and live his own life, right? So like that sounds like the worst thing ever. But what happened is Jordan Rubin recovered himself from his Crohn's disease. And he did it, I believe.
Because his mother gave him the foundations. It could have been his dad too. I don't know his false surroundings, but like his his upbringing gave him the knowledge and the information that he could return back to health because he knew how to. So that's what I rest in. And my kids are off doing toxic things right this very moment. Like I'm sure they are. They're college kids, right? Like that's just what they do. But I I feel confident in knowing that A, if they needed me with a health issue, I would be here for them. And I would do whatever they need to help support
them.
But B, I hope they took a few things away about nutrition, about sleep, about movement, and that I educated them over their years. but it is as a parent, there's a lot of letting go. You know, you do the best you can, but they're they're their own people and they're on their own journey and they're going to have they're gonna make choices and they're gonna make mistakes. and you know, we do the best we can to support them in whatever
Dr. Terry (48:59)
Hmm.
Beth Lambert (49:00)
way we can.
Dr. Terry (49:01)
Great answer. all right, Beth. After two decades of helping frightened and exhausted families, if you could sit with your twenty five year old self, what would you tell her?
Beth Lambert (49:16)
Don't ever take any antibiotics. you know what I think if I had like, yeah, I would say, I would tell my 25-year-old self, don't take any pharmaceuticals. I think they are just a they they just have a lasting effect. I would say, get in touch with your nervous system.
Understand that you have one and what it does and how to hear it when it is stressed and dysregulated. And nervous system is such a like nervous system regulation so buzzy right now. I feel like everyone's like everyone on Instagram's like, regulate your nervous system. I don't think anyone really knows what that means. But I think because I was talking about before, like where we are in this modern world and how stressed and fast paced, and especially since AI is coming, like I feel bad for everybody or anybody who has a job right now because
Everybody's boss is like, just make AI do it. Why aren't you more efficient? What's happening? Just use AI. Like that is going to take everyone's stress level up here because you know, everybody wants it fast, now, quick. So that existing problem I think is going to magnify. But if I could go back to my 25 year old self, I'd be like, hey, you have a nervous system, and sometimes it gets dysregulated, and sometimes, like, this is what stress feels like. And here's some tools that you can use to help.
restore balance 'cause if your nervous system's dysregulated, all that other stuff gets goes offline. Even your microbiome gets screwed up when your nervous system's out of whack. So I think that's like, you know, it's command central.
Dr. Spencer Baron (50:48)
Well, are we ready for rapid fire questions?
There's five of
Dr. Terry (50:53)
Let l
yeah, let's get her nervous system deregulated.
Beth Lambert (50:58)
Well.
Dr. Spencer Baron (51:01)
Well, you know, your answers are very robust, so we're gonna ask you to to come up with some brief answers to five questions. That's why we call it rapid fire questions. Are you ready?
Beth Lambert (51:13)
I'm ready.
Dr. Spencer Baron (51:14)
All right. Now, Dr. Terry asked you something, but you would ask yourself
Your twenty five year old self. Now let's move you twenty years from now ahead. What needs to change for you to say, Hey, we turned this around?
Beth Lambert (51:31)
Wow, that's a great question. I feel like we need to retrain ourselves to trust our intuition.
Because your intuition will guide all the other choices you make if you learn to trust it.
Dr. Spencer Baron (51:55)
I believe the the more aw the people are aware of those early warning signs that will help. I mean the early sign the earliest of signs. So very good. Question
Beth Lambert (52:03)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (52:04)
number two. All right, Beth. You get one completely responsible free day. No responsibilities, no kids, no work, no phone. Where are you and what are you doing?
Beth Lambert (52:19)
When I have nothing, no responsibilities,
Dr. Spencer Baron (52:22)
Right on.
Beth Lambert (52:23)
I go, I will go into nature. I will go for a hike, I will go for a walk, I would go to a beach. Like if I I live in an area where there's not a lot of nature, but I would find a natural setting. I would just hike, hike, hike, hike. I love mountains, I love vistas. By the way, vistas, the views, regulate your nervous system.
Dr. Spencer Baron (52:45)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (52:45)
So
Dr. Terry (52:46)
Hey
hey Beth, can you tell Dr. Spencer where the vista is? 'Cause he lives in s Florida where it's really flat.
Beth Lambert (52:54)
You gotta you gotta go up. The higher you get, the higher you get.
Dr. Spencer Baron (52:59)
we have to get a man made bridge to see anything, but thank you.
Dr. Terry (53:02)
Ha ha ha.
Dr. Spencer Baron (53:05)
Although we have some really nice beaches, all right.
Dr. Terry (53:08)
Yes, you do.
Beth Lambert (53:08)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (53:10)
All right. Question number three. What what's one supposedly healthy thing you just absolutely refuse to do?
Beth Lambert (53:19)
One healthy thing I refuse to do. my God, are you kidding? There's nothing.
Dr. Spencer Baron (53:20)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (53:27)
one healthy thing I refuse to do. I'll I'll tell you. I I'll
Dr. Spencer Baron (53:29)
While you're thinking, I'll tell you go ahead. Yeah.
Beth Lambert (53:32)
think about it. I it's not that I refuse to do it, but I I'm resisting this one, which is you know, so much of the the the Jim Bros and the biohackers are talking about c cold cold therapy and thermogenesis and all this kind of stuff.
Dr. Spencer Baron (53:45)
Yeah, yeah.
Beth Lambert (53:47)
I
I I I really wanna protect my adrenals. So while I have done cold plunges, something in my intuition's like, I don't think that's good for you. I mean, I get it. Like I get it what it does to the mitochondria and helps improve your cellular health. Like I get that scientifically, intellectually, but my body's like mm
Dr. Terry (54:06)
Well, you'll like to know that our guest, Stacey Sims says women should not do cold plunges, so you're off the hook.
Beth Lambert (54:11)
I've heard that. Thank you.
Dr. Spencer Baron (54:14)
I'll tell you what Dr.
Terry's is. sardines is the new superfood.
Dr. Terry (54:20)
yeah. Ooh.
Dr. Spencer Baron (54:22)
He hates sardines.
Beth Lambert (54:23)
I yeah,
I kinda get that. Like I'll do them reluctantly, so I I'm with you on that one. They just mm
Dr. Terry (54:28)
Yeah, I I'm trying, but yeah, Spencer's way better at that than I am.
Dr. Spencer Baron (54:33)
He's he's so resistant that we had to get a whole show dedic
dedicated to sardines from a doctor Dr. Cleos who is who who's very
in aligned with all the things that you're talking about. But meant sardines? Really? I I just got a couple of cans in there back. Yeah.
Dr. Terry (54:46)
Yep. Yep. Yeah, I failed miserably. Yeah.
Beth Lambert (54:53)
I get
it. I get it.
Dr. Spencer Baron (54:55)
All right. Beth, you got we got two more questions. Question number four. What's something you're gonna love this one. What's something your kids tell us ab what's something that your kids would tell us about you that you'd rather we didn't know?
Beth Lambert (55:10)
I I got this one. This is my favorite one. So I I have I have three kids and my middle daughter is super intuitive. She's just like really just like and calm and just like she just walks into a room and she just like gets the vibe, right? She taught me this word for basically reflecting back to me that I'm my nervous system is on, you know, sim sympathetic overdrive. She'll say, Mom, you're twitchy.
Like that says it all, doesn't it? Doesn't that say it all? So like that's
Dr. Terry (55:43)
Right.
Dr. Spencer Baron (55:43)
It is that's great.
Beth Lambert (55:45)
what they would tell you is they would be like my mom gets twitchy.
Dr. Spencer Baron (55:48)
To achieve.
I love it. Yeah.
Beth Lambert (55:52)
I mean, don't you love them for that? Like they just mirror
back and you're like, You're right, I'm twitchy. You're right. I gotta breathe. She's nineteen. She's nineteen.
Dr. Spencer Baron (55:59)
How old did you say your daughter? How old is she? Nineteen? Yeah.
Yeah, I got a couple 20-year-olds that are staff, and I am learning more stuff about aura farming is like that's just a cool way of being or something, or something you can't. I'm learning
more stuff that I've never heard. They've got their own language. All right.
Beth Lambert (56:17)
I know.
Dr. Spencer Baron (56:19)
Last question for you. Now.
After twenty years of doing this and seeing what you can what can go wrong, what have you seen that makes you believe we can get this right?
Beth Lambert (56:34)
gosh, are you kidding? The number of people that I've seen r return to good health. and it gets it seems like it gets I say this hesitation because
It seems like it's getting easier and easier. There were parent I watched parents do this 20 years ago and they were all by themselves. There was no internet. They were not, I mean, there was internet, but it wasn't like it is now. There was no support groups and conferences and you know, training programs and all this kind of stuff. And they were doing it then. They were reversing their children's autism. They were reversing the autoimmune diseases. And now I see it accelerating where that's becoming common enough of a phenomenon that that people
People are like even mainstream medicine is taking it up now. So like this blew my mind just this week I learned about this. There's a professor at Duke University who has documented over 40 cases of ALS reversal.
Now I didn't even know that existed because
Dr. Terry (57:26)
No kidding.
Beth Lambert (57:28)
I've been documenting cases of full reversal of all kinds of chronic conditions, and I have done everything except for type 1 diabetes. But actually, right now I'm convening in November a type 1 diabetes think tank to try and see if we can get that one reversed. And ALS, that was the other one. I was like, hell ooh, ALS, you can improve the symptoms, like, but you know, the mitochondria. I I I've seen some improvement, but I never heard of anybody doing full reversal. So this Duke University, Duke University is a mainstream
Academic institution, you would not expect to see that there, but there's a professor there who's documenting it. So that gives me hope.
Dr. Terry (58:01)
Wow.
Beth Lambert (58:02)
I think we're I think we're on this trajectory now where recovery and reversal is mainstream, it's getting there. And then and and a lot of the listen, I sometimes I say you know bad things about conventional medicine. There are amazing, amazing parts of conventional medicine. We need it. Emergencies, surgeries, like there's just so many amazing pieces.
Chronic illness it hasn't really done a good job of, but it's starting to get there. I think AI is gonna change that. I think people coming forth with their recovery stories is gonna change that. So I am so hopeful because people are healing themselves and learning how to do that.
Dr. Spencer Baron (58:37)
Beth, I gotta tell ya, I looked at that website that you're was it documenting hope, total load or d right? Documenting hope.
Beth Lambert (58:42)
Back many home. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Dr. Spencer Baron (58:46)
I
I cannot get over. I just kept scrolling and scrolling through all the s the special people that are part of that program and all the conditions that you never thought could be I no, really, I th I'm not I'm not trying to pump this this this thing out there. I'm really fascinated by what I saw on that website. That all these conditions, these childhood conditions that nobody has any idea of how to reverse other than with medication that can be f
g can be helped, reversed.
Beth Lambert (59:19)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (59:20)
So really thank you for all that and I appreciate and you answered your five questions really, really good. Thank you.
Beth Lambert (59:28)
thank you.
Dr. Terry (59:28)
Ha ha.
Dr. Spencer Baron (59:30)
Thanks for being on the show, Beth, really.
Beth Lambert (59:31)
Yeah. Yeah, my pleasure.
Yeah.
Well, Beth, here's something I can't stop thinking about. Two children grow up in the same home, breathe the same air, they eat the same food and experience many of the same stresses. One thrives, the other develops a collection of symptoms. Nobody can quite explain what they are. So maybe the most important question isn't what caused the s caused the disease. Maybe it's what happened to that child's ability to adapt. What steals our
Resilience, go for it.
Beth Lambert (00:33)
Well, I think the first thing that we need to think about in the context of the question of resilience is what do we as bio individuals carry?
that influences our resilience. And that can be anything from a toxic burden, nutritional deficiencies or nutritional support, emotional issues, epigenetic pieces that we don't even have a full picture on what we're carrying. So, you know, every single person that develops some kind of chronic condition has basically been through their own personal journey
taking on health stressors, lacking health supports.
And you know, it's it's one person's story. So you can't really predict it necessarily because you don't necessarily have the full picture of what's happening with each individual person. You can learn a lot of those things, but really at the end of the day, what makes one person sick and what what makes keeps one person healthy is going to be dependent on thousands of variables, literally thousands of variables. So I think the best thing we can do is try and optimize as many of those variables as possible and be aware and educated.
ourselves as to what makes us healthy and what makes us sick and do the best we can with that.
Dr. Spencer Baron (01:51)
Well, I love that. And in fact I'm so excited about more that you have to say because both Dr. Terry and I were taught in chiropractic college that this was the mantra. Germs don't cause disease. People do. In other words, there's so many other factors. Y you know, y you can be exposed to all these different things. But first I want you to y tell us that
Before documenting hope, total load, or thousands of data points, there was you as a mom. Let's start from there. Take take take us back to that moment you realize I'm being given names for my child's symptoms, but nobody's telling me why they're happening. What did you see that the medical system wasn't seeing?
Beth Lambert (02:34)
Well, you know, it actually started before I had kids because there was a period of time when I worked in healthcare consulting. I worked for pharmaceutical companies, medical device companies, and I kind of got on the belly of the beast for a little while and and really started understanding that it's our healthcare system is more about business than it is about healthcare in many ways. And that's not, you know, universal. There's so many wonderful practitioners out there that are part of the conventional medicine world, but you know, so much of
what is happening in terms of how we manage health is broken because of the business aspects because there's a bottom line because there is you know always money to be made. So I kind of had a beginning of an opening when I was looking at, you know, healthcare and health from that perspective. And then I became a parent. And when I became a parent my my first children had a set of symptoms. They had gut symptoms and skin symptoms and behavioral and sensory. These like when they were toddlers
and I remember my
My mother saying to me, you know, kids weren't like this when you guys were little, you know, and and and she was, and we started looking around at my peers who were having kids. And I was in these baby play groups where every kid seemed to have, you know, ear infections, chronic constipation, explosive diapers, skin rashes, all these things, like what I would call now the soft signs of.
a compromise generation. But it was definitely like these silent alarm bells were going off in my head, like something's not right here. What's going on with these kids? And then as my my kids' symptoms progressed, I went and looked for help. And I knocked on pretty much every conventional medical door because, you know, that's what the world I came from. So I went to an allergist, a gastroenterologist, a psychologist, and was trying to get an understanding for the root causes. Like why are there these symptoms? What's happening here?
And basically all I got was put a cream on it. You know, like that's the answer. That is
Dr. Terry (04:29)
Right.
Beth Lambert (04:29)
the answer we get. And I I was like, Yeah, but why? Why? I'm that like annoying, persistent
parent because I'm sure they all wanted to, you know, quickly usher out of their office. But I had the good fortune of getting in the office of an integrative physician. My sister-in-law also happens to be a naturopath. And you know, very quickly as I started looking at my children's health through those perspectives, a more holistic, integrative, functional kind of perspective, they were giving me answers. They're like, well the microbiome's out of balance. we've got these nutritional deficiencies. have you been to see a chiropractor? You know, all these kinds of things that I wasn't, you know, sort of taught.
In the conventional medical pathway. So, what happened was those symptoms were resolved very quickly. We made some diet changes, you know, I started going to chiropractic, I started using herbs, you know, these were the kinds of things that we did were not hard. I saw profound changes in my own children. And then at the same time, when I was in the office of these, you know, integrative physicians and these different holistic healers, I met other parents. And I met these
Dr. Spencer Baron (05:30)
Mm.
Beth Lambert (05:30)
parents who had kids who had much more severe problems than my own children. Parents who had
Had
severe level three nonverbal autism, people who had kids with rheumatoid arthritis and these autoimmune diseases. And these parents were telling me that their kids were fully reversing their condition. Now, mind you, I had come from this world, this sort of conventional pharmaceutical world, and also both of my grandfathers are surgeons, my dad's a dentist. I came from a very medical world. And I was meeting this parent who was telling me that her child's autism was reversed.
And I was like, wait, I thought that was genetic.
Dr. Spencer Baron (06:04)
Ho ho ho ho.
Beth Lambert (06:06)
I thought autism was something that you have and it's lifelong and there's nothing you can do. Like I I kinda had this conception of autism, like it was similar to Down syndrome. Like you have a chromosomal piece to this that you can't change.
I was schooled by these parents and these practitioners and I soon started, you know, asking more questions. If this is possible for these kids, well, who else does this happen for? What else is reversible? And why is no one talking about this? So I went on it was like literally a fire in my belly where I was like, this is insane that we have children who are suffering and having these conditions diagnosed for life.
Because somebody's not asking the right questions about what's causing the symptoms that we call autism or lupus or rheumatoid arthritis or whatever it is. And so that sent me out on a quest, and I was like, all right, this is reversible in my own kids in terms of their symptoms. This is reversible in these people I'm meeting in these offices, and these practitioners are like, yeah, no, we totally reverse these conditions all the time. And then I had just come out of the conventional medical community where the model is to sell pharmaceuticals. And then I was like, this is not okay. This is not.
Okay, we have to change this system, and the first thing we need to do is let people know about it. So that's where I started. I was like, we gotta tell people, people need to know about this. Meanwhile, there's all these practitioners sort of on the margins in the periphery that you know aren't part of our insurance system, are part of our payer system who know this stuff, have known this for decades, but like the average person doesn't know this, and they certainly don't access it because it's not offered to them through their you know Medicare or Medicaid or their insurance plans. So that is my origin story, and I have
have never stopped since. Like I'm on I'm on a tear about this.
Dr. Terry (07:46)
You're on a quest.
Dr. Spencer Baron (07:47)
I l right. I love the energy. I actually got a little goosebump action there. This is good.
Beth Beth, I I have to agree that this is this is probably the most ripe time for all this this
you know, old way of thinking and this new paradigm to be opening up the way you believe and others are starting to realize. So th this is this is a great conversation to have. So I wanna I wanna ask you, you know, for the audience, the listening and viewing audience, you know, before there's actually a diagnosis, is the body already warning that it's losing now, we call it resilience, but i I mean
It's also resistance. It's resistance to infection and other conditions. What what are we missing here? What what are some of the particular points that maybe viewers or listeners could identify with?
Beth Lambert (08:42)
Well so symptoms are communication, right? Like you get a symptom, I don't care if it's a sinus infection or a rash on your knee or a headache, that's your check engine warning light, right?
Dr. Spencer Baron (08:53)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (08:53)
And I just don't think we were trained culturally to think about that. You know, like we we just weren't because, and you know, I really do think I I take that back. Culturally, we used to think this way. Like if you go back 150 years, 200 years, people did kind of think a little bit more like this. And certainly in traditional practices, traditional Chinese medicine and Ayurveda, they obviously think that way. But in sort of the Western modern mind, especially post-World War II, you know, where we had this experience of being experienced.
Exposed to pills, these miracle pills, like antibiotics. Like think about that, right? Like you get tuberculosis and you have an antibiotic, and e that's the difference between you dying and you walking out of the hospital and being okay. That is a profound capture of our imagination on what a pill can do for us. So we have in the last, I would say, 75 to 100 years, really been captured by this idea that there's a pill for every ill. So if I have an ill, I seek that pill. The problem is that is
completely t training us or teaching us to ignore that the check engine light came on for a reason because something's broken, something's out of balance, something needs attention.
So I feel like that's just a a mindset shift, a cultural shift, where we have to go back to this idea of if you have a symptom, I don't care what it is, is it depression, is it anxiety, is it eczema, that is your body saying something's out of balance, sweetheart, it's time for you to check under the hood and see what's going on.
Dr. Spencer Baron (10:25)
So so how some some warning signs. How how soon do they come on to certain conditions? I mean, I know that's a little bit of a a challenging answer to have, but like when should somebody start paying attention to a blemish or a w different way of the different way of thinking where there's depress how w how would how would you t handle that?
Beth Lambert (10:50)
Well, if it's me and you're like a little bit of a hypochondriac, you like every blunt you're like, what is that? What's the root cause? That's that's not that's not
Dr. Spencer Baron (10:53)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Beth Lambert (10:57)
typical. I'm not saying that's healthy either. But I but I but come on, like that's how we should we should be so in tune with our bodies that we should know and recognize if something's out of bounds.
Right? Like if we can't sleep at night, like there's so there's a reason why. Or if we have you know, if our stomach's upset about there's a reason why. so I don't think it needs to be like this reactive, like every time we have a symptom we need to be like, I need to go on a diet or get a supplement or see a doctor or whatever. But I do think
We should be in like paying attention and listening. You know, it's I I think we are so disconnected from ourselves and we externalize everything. I see this a lot with parents too, where they, you know, something's wrong with their child and they immediately rush to the pediatrician instead of going into their own heart space and their own intuition to try and f you know really tune into what's going on. I remember being a young parent and being surrounded by moms when their daughter when their children would have a small fever, like a ninety-nine. They'd c
Call
the pediatrician in a panic, and I'd be like, You guys, fevers are normal. Like, what is happening here? You know, so that we've been trained that way to outsource anything that's related to health. That's true for our children and for ourselves. And I think we would be in a much better place if we learned how to listen to our bodies and pay attention and make even just micro adjustments, right? Like, my back's hurting. Maybe I'm doing something that well, my back needs to treated a little differently. It's it's the micro adjustments and listening to that.
communication that could change everything for us.
Dr. Terry (12:27)
Hm.
You know, while you're talking, I'm looking at the picture behind you of the icebergs, which is one of my favorite metaphors
Dr. Spencer Baron (12:34)
Ha ha.
Dr. Terry (12:35)
in life. You know, what we see on the surface is not what's really happening underneath. And you know, why are i if you look at that picture, some icebergs are bigger than others. And so why is someone's bucket list overflowing and that their sibling is not? What are what determines our resistance and resilience?
Beth Lambert (12:56)
so that that that's going back to this idea of like everything that you experience in your life can be cumulative and either add towards your resilience or take away from it, right? So that's even epigenetic. And the more the deeper we get into epigenetics and understanding how our ancestors
How they've lived and the choices they made, how that impacts our life, the more we understand our vulnerabilities. So there, you know, there's incredible work by Dr. Claudia Miller, who is an allergist immunologist at the University of Texas at Austin. And she's done this incredible body of work around this concept of tilt, which is called toxicant induced loss of tolerance. And her her, you know, she started in this area looking.
At
multiple chemical sensitivity and how people get like kind of immune-primed. So if you've had a lot of exposure to chemicals, synthetic chemicals, it's going to make you more reactive to other chemicals subsequent. And it creates a sort of downward cascade where your immune system is much more reactive and creates more inflammation more quickly than somebody who hasn't been exposed to those toxicants. But her work has also found that that is not just for the individual vessel, the body, the thing, you know, the singular person. That's epigenetic.
That means if your grandmother had a lot of toxic exposures to synthetic chemicals, that's literally passed along the germline. It goes from down to into subsequent generations. And there's now companies that can test the DNA adducts to see where those expressions are on the DNA. So you come into this world with more propensity for reaction, for inflammation, for an immune response if your ancestors have had toxic exposures.
Exposures. Like, doesn't that just blow your mind? So the babies being born today come in so much more vulnerable just because the subsequent the the prior jet generations.
Had toxic exposures, had synthetics, had chemicals. You know, and then again, going back to this idea, it's only been 7500 years that we've really lived in this hyperintensive synthetic world. You know, for generations before that, humans weren't in had didn't have to interface with those kinds of exposures. So let me come back to your original question, which is that just think about epigenetic vulnerability. Just think about that one piece, right? So some people are gonna come in with more epigenetic vulnerability than others, more propensity to react, more
propensity for.
Inflammation. And then on top of that, you add every single toxic assault. So, like let's take the microbiome for instance. You had, let's say, you have an infant who had five or six ear infections in the first year of life and had an antibiotic for every single one of those infections. That child, as opposed to somebody who didn't have antibiotics, is going to be so much more vulnerable to every toxic influence. They're not going to be able to digest and assimilate their nutrients as well. That's going to create further cascading vulnerability because.
They don't have the resources and this what they need for their cells to repair themselves and protect themselves. So it it really is. I it's why I love this concept of total load, because each individual person has a very bio-individual and specific total load of environmental toxicants and exposures and experiences that determine their overall resilience or their vulnerability. And it isn't just toxins or pharmaceuticals, it's emotional. You know, that we're looking, going back to that epigenetic thing, you have people who were like,
you know, victims of torture and that c that creates a vulnerability. You have people whose nervous systems are completely dysregulated because they're in a stressful environment. That makes them more vulnerable.
So that's why I think we are, you had said in a moment ago that we're kind of in this new age where we're thinking differently about health. It's because we've reached this tipping point where the one size fits all pharmaceutical-based model doesn't work. It just doesn't work. So we have to think bioindividually. We have to look at each individual person's resilience and look at what they need to restore balance. I mean that's really just the model of the future, isn't it?
Dr. Terry (17:07)
Wow. You know, we're talking y what
Dr. Spencer Baron (17:09)
Beautiful.
Dr. Terry (17:10)
you're just talking about is what now people consider normal, right? So I had a great conversation with my son Lance and he was telling me about 'cause we were asking I was asking different questions and he was he said back in our generation and my father's generation there was drinking fountains everywhere and then we wanted to make it more
Beth Lambert (17:27)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (17:28)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Terry (17:29)
convenient. So they said, Hey, why don't we put this water in a bottle and now they can carry it around and now we have this toxic
environment of all this plastic around and
Dr. Spencer Baron (17:38)
Yeah.
Dr. Terry (17:41)
and it just and the conversation went from there. What are and I and I start thinking about my gosh future generations are gonna ask, my gosh, what were we doing? What do you think what stressors and the data you're seeing is good that we should be paying attention to now that so we don't say how did we ever miss this?
Beth Lambert (18:02)
there's so many. I mean th this sometimes the it's so overwhelming thinking about that. but I think that
there are certain categories of stressors that are probably worse than others. and we had through Documenty Hope we ran a study called the CHIRP study, which is paused right now. We hope to reopen it again. But essentially it's a an a survey, a massive questionnaire for our parents to fill out that takes an inventory of how their children live and it correlates all the those data points with health outcomes. So we ask questions about, you know, like what was the birth like and what kinds of exposure what was the neonatal
Period, like what was what happened in the first year of life, what is our food like? What kind of laundry detergent? What kind of toothpaste? Like all those questions, right? And what we what we found, because the data set is massive, and it the breadth of information you get on one individual person allows for a lot of queries and inquiries into what is it that makes somebody sicker than the other. And one of the categories that bubbled up, well, a couple categories surprised us, but the category that bubbled up to the top as one of the most influential stressors or categories.
categories of stressors in terms of health outcomes, worse health outcomes, was antibiotics. And so the overuse of antibiotics, as we all know, is a major issue, right? Because it, you know, the the impact to the microbiome affects your ability to detoxify, to pull nutrients out of the body. It regulates the immune system. I mean, it is such a massive part of our health, the microbiome.
So the more antibiotics a child had, the worse the health outcomes were. so we don't have enough data to publish that yet, but you have enough data to see which way the wind is blowing, right? So when you asked about, you know, what is the thing that our, you know, future generations are going to look back and be like, what idiots? I know they're gonna say that about antibiotics. And there is a wonderful gastroenterologist in Southern California named Dr. Sabine Hazen, who
Dr. Terry (19:55)
She's been there show.
Dr. Spencer Baron (19:56)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (19:57)
then you know I'm talking about. Like she talks about all the time, save the biff. Be
be she talks about it
Dr. Spencer Baron (20:01)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (20:02)
like an ecologist, right? Like this is existential. We are we are absolutely extincting the human microbiome. And and and we c at some point it is irreversible. Like I think that is a very real concern and consideration. I think we're waking up to it soon enough. Like I do think that you can repair the microbiome, and I think nature always has a way of balancing itself out. But I do think that we're talking about species level.
Extinction in the microbiome. Like we're gonna we're getting it's like oxalobacter, like people can't take oxalates anymore because of what we've done to the microbiome. So that would be my top category, I think. The next category would be chemical exposures. Remember, I was talking about epigenetics and how that carries down. You're gonna have you know, grandchildren and great grandchildren being like, damn it, my great-grandma was exposed to all of these like synthetic chemicals, and I'm paying the price because I'm super reactive to everything, and I have MCAS and I have all these like.
Immune dysregulation issues. That's the other one. They're gonna be like, why do we dump all these synthetic chemicals? Pesticides on our food? Herbicides on our food? Are you kidding me? Like, what idiots? Like that is what they're gonna be looking at us, you know, and and and and embarrassed for ourselves. Like, why do we do that? I mean, and there are other categories, I there are so many, but those to me stand out as probably the most influential in a multi-generational context.
Dr. Spencer Baron (21:25)
Hey, does sh she remind you of the story Dr. Lindsay Berkson told us about how this woman has all her life had been practicing a natural holistic health care, even as a as a as a physician. And she couldn't understand why she kept getting, you know, cancers, breast cancers, uterine cancers. So and someone said, Maybe it's not you. So she went back now, this woman's like in her s late seventies and she's v
just got so much energy and looks fantastic, right, Terry? What did she
Dr. Terry (21:59)
Right.
Dr. Spencer Baron (21:59)
do? She went bet she went to the New York the hospital in New York that she was that her mother gave birth to her, pulled the records that dusted off the paper records and found that the mom was on dietyl still bestol.
Beth Lambert (22:17)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (22:18)
And that
was why. So now she had a reason and was able to manage it that way. This woman is is I w an inspiration to all.
Dr. Terry (22:25)
Is incredible. Yeah.
Dr. Spencer Baron (22:29)
But anyway, that was so that just is you know, just profiles your conversation even more so, even further back as to how your parents handled
Beth Lambert (22:39)
But that
it's such a underrecognized but important part of our health that this is a multi-generational phenomenon. And there's things that you can do. So you can go back and look at your hospital records and see what you might have been exposed to to help you tailor it. But I think the the the main takeaway is that like it really is bioindividual, right? Like you have to know your history and your parents' history, and you can make some inferences even if you don't have the information. But it's important it's it to think about it multi-generationally.
Dr. Terry (23:07)
So what would you do let me ask you really quick, what would you do if you're adopted?
Beth Lambert (23:11)
Ugh, such a well I'm gonna give an answer that not everybody would agree with, but
You can there's so man there's so much we can do in terms of you know, testing, right? Like you could do genomic testing for somebody who's adopted and you can learn about your vulnerabilities that way. and I think you can learn a lot actually. But I also think that you can work with people who are kind of intuitive, you know, medical intuitives, people who have s can provide some insights on in the psychosocial, emotional, spiritual realm that maybe the rest of us don't have access to yet or we haven't trained ourselves to. So
I think, you know, you c there's some testing you can do, but I think there's also sometimes you just have to lean on other lesser known and lesser qualified skill sets out there to figure those kinds of things out.
Dr. Spencer Baron (24:00)
We had a w woman on twice. She's a therap psychologist. past life regressions and the healing
Beth Lambert (24:06)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (24:07)
stories that came on w
I mean th this right far reaching. We talk about like not just generations, we're talking centuries ago of lives in the past. Anyway, let me ask you, you started to allude to you know, some of the conditions, you know. So could different diagnoses actually be different expressions of like the same underlying biological stresses and I mean, do we have any you know, real evidence for that so far?
Beth Lambert (24:32)
I mean I I don't
I don't know the answer to that, whether we have real evidence on that so far, but what I can tell you, I I believe, is that weaknesses and vulnerabilities show up for a reason. So if you think about us as sort of like these this, you know, creation of consciousness, where you know, some people believe we come in to learn lessons. And and you know, there's all different kinds of spiritual traditions that talk about what life is and why we're here. And some people believe that we are here to learn lessons. And even if you don't believe we're here to learn lessons.
You can believe that your body is a reflection of consciousness and something going on in your consciousness, right? Like they're not separate, they are one and the same. So if you go to traditions like Ayurveda, traditional Chinese medicine, they very much subscribe to the fact that a body is a reflection of something psychosocial, emotional, spiritual. For example, the chakras. And they talk about, like, let's say you have a thyroid condition. They wouldn't necessarily do, like, look at your TPO and your TSH and all that. They'd look at your your throat.
throat chakra and they'd say, you have an energetic blockage in your throat.
And what is that about? Are you feeling like you can't express yourself? Are you feeling like you have your voice has been silenced? You know, there is that element of things show up in our in specific places in our body for a reason because it is a reflection of something you need to know and understand about your life and your experience. you know, there's there's a lot of wonderful healers who help support people who have cancer diagnoses. And one of the things I've learned from some
These healers are things like breast cancer. Breast cancer is very common among a certain archetype of woman who tends to be the caregiver and is always giving and nurturing, but doesn't care for herself in the way that she needs to care for herself. So why does breast cancer show up in that person and not lung cancer or brain
Dr. Spencer Baron (26:27)
Whoa whoa.
Beth Lambert (26:29)
cancer? And and so I I don't have the evidence to support that. This is just something that I you know can relate in.
In comp from conversations I've had with probably hundreds of people who are in this space of health and healing, and how do they know how to help people? You have to address the emotional issues. You have to address the psycho, social, emotional, spiritual issues. That's a part of your health. You're not just biochemistry, you're not just atoms and molecules. You are a consciousness, you are a being with feelings. Those feelings get stored. I mean, I'm sure you are familiar with the the body keeps the score and the IFS system and the all of these things where.
Where we store emotions in our body, you know, and and things that aren't expressed, they stagnate. I mean, that's an old traditional Chinese medicine kind of concept that when you're when things flow, you're healthy. When you have things that are stuck, including emotions, the stagnation is bad. Stagnation is means you're gonna have health problems. So I don't think there's sciences there yet. That's okay, because people find answers through some of the traditional healers and and systems and and ways of thinking. And
And and they're beautiful and they're helpful and why not use those?
Dr. Spencer Baron (27:42)
I mean you could actually go into a another country, more A you know, an Asian country that that uses acupuncture as one of their main approaches to healthcare. And I mean, their approach to diagnosis is so different than the way we do it here. They'll look at your tongue, the the texture, the s
Beth Lambert (28:00)
Yes.
Dr. Spencer Baron (28:01)
the topography, the skin your skin. There'll be a there's
Beth Lambert (28:04)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (28:04)
six we only check for one pulse on the wrist. They check for six pulses on each wrist that correspond. I mean,
how is that
And they can tell you what's wrong. You know
Dr. Terry (28:15)
Right.
Beth Lambert (28:15)
Enough.
Dr. Spencer Baron (28:16)
you know so w
Beth Lambert (28:16)
I know. Deep respect, because
it's thousands of years that it took them to develop these systems. You know, thousands
Dr. Spencer Baron (28:21)
Yes.
Beth Lambert (28:22)
of years. Just think of the the refinement. And this was like in a pre-digital age when you people actually used to be able to focus and tune in and listen. It's it's it's profound. And I I do think people are getting back to some of those traditional ways and and giving them respect in a way of may maybe fifty years ago they were completely dismissed. But I feel like there is a reemergence of traditional medicines and ancestral ways.
Dr. Spencer Baron (28:49)
I believe so. I tell my interns all the time that it's so easy to be a great doctor 'cause they
The other ones are terrible out there. And if you're taking insurance, they're only allowed seven minutes. I mean, this isn't the average. They're only a doctor can only spend seven minutes with you if it's the doctor. It's usually the physician assistant. So how do you diagnose somebody in seven minutes if you if you're rushing through and getting their history? Anyway, that's a whole nother story. But I want to touch off on something that's an this is a new word for me. Exposome. Exposome. Science is increasingly studying this concept and our
you know, cumulative lifetime exposures or something. You've been talking about total load for years. Is science finally catching up to what you've been seeing?
Beth Lambert (29:35)
think so. I mean I I do think we are still very
reductionists in our thinking. So most of the papers that are coming out that are looking at toxic chemicals and things that we're exposed to in the exposome are still single molecule single outcome, right? So it's like, how does this lead impact neurodevelopment? How does this BPA affect the endocrinus system? Like we still that's how we publish our science and our research. I am increasingly seeing, you know, combos of things. You know, you like you see a paper where they might have looked at fluoride and aluminum together and how does that, you know, how do they they the synergistic
Effect of that, or I should say more the compounding and worsening effect. One makes the other more toxic. I think there's more of that coming. I would love
Dr. Spencer Baron (30:17)
Mm.
Beth Lambert (30:17)
to keep pushing the envelope with that. So in our in our CHIRP study, where we took all of these very vast and disparate data points about children and how they're living, what we found, one of the coolest conclusions that we what we think we can arrive at, we still need more data to publish, but is that total load is a thing. It is absolutely
Validated by this by the data we've collected through this questionnaire in that the more health stressors a child has, the worse the health outcomes. Like just period. Like it is very clear it's a curvilinear kind of relationship. so do some of those stressors have a greater impact than others? Yes, for sure. But it is really just like you know, a very simple concept of our bodies just have too many toxic exposures, stressor, and stressors generally. So that
could be emotional stressors, that could be like job stress, whatever it is, that our bodies don't have the capacity to handle. So I feel like we are, you know, exposome is like one piece of that, you know, and I think the stress and the pace of modern life is not really covered in the exposome research. But boy, is that a stressor on our health. Like I think about the average like suburban family who is running around with two working parents trying to, you know, get their
kids educated and run them around here and and do the good job at and keep
Dr. Spencer Baron (31:42)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (31:43)
up with what they need to do professionally and you know it's just it is incredibly stressful and that is part of the exposome that we don't really talk about but I think we really need to.
Dr. Spencer Baron (31:57)
There's I I think the floodgates are opening and
We're starting to notice the things that we've taken for granted for so many years are becoming a real issue for our health. And I wonder if this is part of what ex exposomes is. You know, dental amalgams. Now they're starting to talk about the mercury that's been that we've been laid into our teeth for so many years that they denied was an issue for brain.
Beth Lambert (32:24)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (32:24)
but you're always chewing and pieces are breaking off or the dust from it or what have you are a factor. Is that kind
Considered an exposome? W yeah. Yep. Okay.
Beth Lambert (32:33)
The mercury and your for sure, for sure.
Dr. Spencer Baron (32:37)
All right. Good. Yeah. Yeah.
Beth Lambert (32:38)
And you know, you store it too. So and and
the health of your microbiome determines to what degree you store it. So I when I was researching my book, it was like almost 20 years ago, I came across this study that I thought like it blew my mind where they had taken two groups of mice and they had fed one group of mice antibiotics and the other group did not have antibiotics. And then they fed both groups of mice mercury.
And what they found is that the group that had not had the merc the antibiotics excreted the mercury in its stool. The group of mice that had received the
Dr. Spencer Baron (33:18)
It's outrageous.
Beth Lambert (33:19)
antibiotics retained
The mercury in its fatty tissues. So like its brain and then its liver. Just think about that for a second. When you take the antibiotics, you wipe out your gut bacteria, you make yourself so much more vulnerable to storing toxins. And if you had just had an intact microbiome, it was do your do the job of helping you demethylate that mercury and help you excrete it from your body. So that we don't think about. You know, in the exposome, when I talked about Dr. Sabine and her work on, you know, save the
biff
and keep our microbiome intact, that's what she's talking about. We are much more vulnerable to environmental toxins and the exposome because we're destroying our first line of defense. And that's our microbiome.
Dr. Spencer Baron (34:04)
With that said, and we're here's another f opener to of the floodgates, but now there this whole thing about like what I asked you before about the diagnosis of cancer. And the you know, it it's your diagnosis, it's like a blanketed statement, but there's so many reasons why you could have a, you know, mass a you know, breast cancer or uterine cancer or or brain or what have you. Now they're finding this I thought this was
This was a little bit of hype, but turbo cancers
Beth Lambert (34:34)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (34:35)
and where they're coming from. I mean, the
Beth Lambert (34:37)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (34:38)
COVID vaccine. Well,
Beth Lambert (34:40)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (34:41)
there is the smoking gun that you're going to hear about. And I just found out about this even yesterday. Talk about Expicell. The the they they there was the first patient that had heart cancer,
w
They they did a DNA study and found actual Pfizer, the the d some of the DNA that they use to produce the COVID vaccine in this in this person's heart, in the in the cancer.
Beth Lambert (35:14)
Devastating.
Dr. Spencer Baron (35:15)
Yeah. And that's what they're now calling the smoking gun. Watch, you'll you'll start hearing about it now more than ever because it's just came out like a couple days ago.
I wanna get back to total load. You know, what parts of total load are like are strongly you know what you're thinking they're strongly supported today by maybe, you know, what parts of are still a hypothesis?
Beth Lambert (35:37)
Mm-hmm. So I think the e everybody's willing to get on board with chemicals.
Right. I think everyone like I don't feel like there's a lot of resistance from the main population in in in United States or the Western world in terms of like everyone acknowledges chemicals are bad and people don't want them in their lives. But oftentimes they just don't know what is chemical and what's not. It's like people have laundry detergent and cleaners and they don't think of them as chemicals. But if someone said to them, This is a neurotoxin, you don't want it in your house, they might be like, yeah, you're right. I don't
it's just that we culturally we're kind of like we just kind of we're on cruise control and we don't really think about things until somebody presents us with it. I also hate being that doom and gloom person that's like everything's toxic. Like nobody likes that person. And I I've learned that the hard way. But I I think there are other things that are subtler that are part of the total load that we don't give credence to. And one example would be light, and the other one would be.
EMF. So light would be an example of there is physiological stress, oxidative stress on your body, on your cells and tissues when you when you are under synthetic LED lighting. The the spectrum of light that you are exposed to can either support your health or
Or hurt your health. We moved, I don't remember how many years ago it was, a couple years ago under Biden when they took out incandescence off the market. I like I heard that they were taking incandescence off, and I went on a buying spree and I just hoarded as many incandescent light bulbs as I could because I knew that LEDs were dangerous to your health. And the vast majority of people, their homes are completely 100% LED. Now the LEDs are getting better, and there are some companies now that are developing.
LEDs that are full spectrum that have much more health supporting light technology. So that is emerging and changing. But I say the vast majority of people, some people are really sensitive to it. Like you can, you know, you have people who can walk into a home that is LED lighting, that's like that cooler, kind of bluer light, who feel physically sick in that environment.
There are people that are sensitive that way. And then they'll feel perfectly fine, incandescent. And of course, the preferred light is just to be outside. Right? That's one of those things that if we could just be outside, it would be wonderful. That light environment is most helpful and supportive. So I think lighting is one of those things that we don't give credence to that is part of the total load, synthetic lighting, I should say. And then the other thing is electromagnetic radiation. We can't see it, we can't taste it, we can't touch it, we don't know that it's there most of the time.
But we are bathed in it. We are awash in these non-native electromagnetic radiation exposures. So that comes from your Wi-Fi, your cell phone, your smart fridge, your smart television, your smart everything. Like the modern American home is just like a giant microwave, just constantly irradiating us. And I think the science is starting to catch up, demonstrating that that is harmful.
And you know, it's the it's not it's like one of these things that how do you how do you measure, you know, it's not one-to-one. We're like, you know, we've been slowly building up our exposure to Wi-Fi. It started a little bit and now it's, you know, if you live in an apartment, you could open up your phone and see 45 Wi-Fi routers within close proximity, and you're being exposed to all that radiation. And there is science now to support that that's harmful. On a cellular level, that is hurting our health. So it's uphill.
Battle, I think, to to convince the public of that, partly because we're all addicted to our digital lives. We are all addicted to the convenience. I mean, myself included. I'm sitting here, you know, with a laptop. I have I have Wi-Fi on. Usually I'm hardwired, but today I have my Wi-Fi on. but we
Dr. Terry (39:36)
Ha ha ha.
Beth Lambert (39:38)
are that is our life. That is our life. It is digital, it is wireless, and it is dangerous. But that's part of the total load. You better believe that is affecting our immune system. It's
It's
affecting our microbiome, it is affecting our our cells and their ability to function properly, but we don't give it any credence. We really don't. I think that's gonna change, but not right now. Those would be my top two.
Dr. Spencer Baron (40:04)
Okay, so let's put that into perspective. You mentioned light, you know, incandescent for this is natural sunlight and then EMFs, electromagnetic radiation or frequencies, but those were your top two to avoid. But you know, here
Let's let's bring this down for some people here that are listening again. people can become completely overwhelmed with all that's going on, like you mentioned, but you know, just to list them, like plastics, pesticides, foods, mold, stress, you know, medications that they've taken in their microbiome, air quality, and so on. We had a guest on a a a chiropractor actually, who he he he talked about natural home, you know, the paint, the floor, the the carpeting, that I mean, we you could go crazy, remember, Terry?
So
Dr. Terry (40:53)
yeah.
Dr. Spencer Baron (40:53)
yeah,
and so suddenly,
Beth Lambert (40:54)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (40:55)
you know, being healthy sounds like a full time full-time job. So all of us can feel a little bit overwhelmed. So if someone believes their bucket is full,
Beth Lambert (41:05)
Mm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (41:06)
what are the get get just what are the first three things? Now I know you mentioned light and I know you mentioned, you know, EMFs, but is there anything else that someone can start doing on Monday?
Beth Lambert (41:16)
Yeah, so I think the first n the number one thing they can do is learn the eighty twenty rule, which is you do the best you can with eighty percent of the things that are in your control and you let the rest go. Because honestly, the stress about all the toxic things in our environment is probably worse than all the toxic things in our environment, right? Like if your nervous system is on higher alert all the time, being like, my god, you can't eat food, you become orthorexic,
Dr. Terry (41:33)
Right, right, right. Right.
Beth Lambert (41:40)
you can't, you know, live because you're so stressed about that. So it's the eighty twenty rule. That's that would be my number one.
The number two thing would be embrace natural in your food. Because that is something you are controlling three times a day, right? At least. Some people are doing more than that. But you know, you can control putting synthetic things into your body or not. So you do the best you can by eating just whole foods as close to their natural form as possible.
Like and and just know that every time that you're doing that, you're nourishing your body. So it's not just about like eliminating the bad stuff, you're like, I'm putting the good stuff in to give my body resilience. I mean, if you think about it, it's a two-way street, right? Not only are you putting the toxins in, but you are building resilience. So when you eat that green pepper, which is loaded with vitamin C, you are giving your body what it needs to combat that, you know, o oxidative stress that's coming in from that herbicide that you just were exposed to. So
Putting the food in that's good to nourish your body and give it what it needs to fight and combat that level of stressors, that's, you know, such a empowering piece of this, right? And then the third thing I would say would be control what you can in your home environment. So, you know, if you're like you can't go out and replace all the LEDs, that's okay. That's okay. Maybe take some steps like turn your lights down low at night and reduce sort of that blue light exposure which suppresses your melatonin. Or
you know, if you have products that you use, I I always I crack up that we use so many products. Like why do we think we need all these everything like we need laundry detergent and toothpaste and moisturizing cream and like all these things. Like why do we need all this, right? Because people a hundred years ago, like it's funny, I I looked at pictures of of my peers in college and nobody was wearing makeup. Nobody was wearing makeup in college. Like nobody was using
Dr. Terry (43:29)
Ha ha
Beth Lambert (43:30)
creams and soaps and like we were like a bar soap and
You know, like it was so much simpler, but
Dr. Spencer Baron (43:34)
Yeah. Yeah.
Beth Lambert (43:36)
we have been we are Americans and we consume and we're sold to and we are marketed to and we love how things smell and touch and feel and like that's just part of our culture. So I think if we just take the long view, like I was a hi I was a history major in undergrad. I always take the long view on things, right? And I'm like
People didn't used to be like this. Like snap out of it. Like you don't need all this stuff and things, right? So if we can take a an inventory of how we're living in our homes and we can just say, okay, let's just do more natural things. Like if you need soap, don't get the smelly one, just get the basic one. If you need something to clean, okay, fine. But make sure it doesn't have like all these ingredients in it that you don't even know what they are. So it's really just about get as close to natural.
in as many things in your home environment as you possibly can. And then don't get obsessed with reading the labels. Just like get
Dr. Spencer Baron (44:28)
Hmm.
Beth Lambert (44:28)
something simple and natural in as many places as you can.
Dr. Terry (44:34)
All right, I gotta ask this. How many kids do you have? Boys, girls?
Beth Lambert (44:37)
I have three. I have two girls
and a boy, and they're two in college and one in high school.
Dr. Terry (44:44)
How do you navigate these kids when they're exposed to all their stuff and and how do how as a mom, how do you navigate the kids when they come home and they go, Sarah has this, I want that. How do you navigate that world?
Beth Lambert (44:57)
Well, let me tell you what I would like to do and then what I actually did. So so I I will say one of the best things. I I've moved around a couple of times as my kids were growing up. And one of the best things that ever happened to me in one town I lived in, I lived in one town for about seven years, is that somehow miraculously I found this group of moms who were crunchy.
Right? They lived more naturally. They went to the holistic doctors. We shared a chiropractor, like a group of country moms, and their kids were my kids' friends. So I had this
Dr. Spencer Baron (45:30)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (45:31)
one little bubble of time of seven years when my kids and their friends were all doing the natural things. And
Dr. Spencer Baron (45:39)
Right on.
Beth Lambert (45:40)
it was normal because it was social that, like you do what you're you want to belong. That's like the most.
Like primary and fundamental human need is to belong, right? So if you can put in your social environment other people who think like you that way, and I'm not saying we need to be like this all monolithic thinking this way, diversity is great, but I think if you can get around other people who are a little bit more natural and more holistic in your community and like your kids' friends.
That is gold. That is gold because then it's not a resistance. It's just what you do. Like, yeah, we make our own sauerkraut. You come on over to try some of mine. Like it's just normal, right? But then if you don't have that, and that and I realize that's very hard for many, many people. And I've lived in other places where I didn't have that. I think the best you can do is educate, but not badger. And I've tested that out with my my own kids. Like I definitely get the eye rolls and like, my God, I'm so tired of your like health obsession.
Dr. Spencer Baron (46:36)
Ha ha ha
Beth Lambert (46:38)
I I have teenagers, you know, and and I I think that that comes back to the eighty twenty rule too, which is like you let a lot of stuff go, but you continue to try and educate and support and you know and hope for the best. And I'll tell you, this is my this is what is my my North Star on this whole thing. Do you guys know Jordan Rubin? He started the what is the what is the name of that company? Now I'm forgetting it. It's like the supplement com Garden of Life. I knew I'd get it. Garden of Life.
Dr. Spencer Baron (47:07)
yeah.
Dr. Terry (47:07)
yeah, yeah, yep. Yep.
Beth Lambert (47:07)
Yeah. Okay,
so his story was is like an inspiration to me because from what I understand, and I probably have like a few pieces of this wrong, he was raised by a super crunchy hippie granola mom who like, you know, made
Dr. Spencer Baron (47:20)
Ha ha.
Beth Lambert (47:20)
all her all his own food and you know, they probably wore hemp. I don't know, they just were very sort of natural in and that was his upbringing. And then apparently he went off to college, and when he went off to college, he developed such severe Crohn disease, Crohn's disease, that that he dropped so much weight he had to be hospitalized. I think he was like
a six foot man and that was like 90 pounds or something like that. very, very, very sick autoimmune disaster. He says that it was because when he when he got out in the world, he got unleashed from the natural and he could have pizza and beer and do all these things and live his own life, right? So like that sounds like the worst thing ever. But what happened is Jordan Rubin recovered himself from his Crohn's disease. And he did it, I believe.
Because his mother gave him the foundations. It could have been his dad too. I don't know his false surroundings, but like his his upbringing gave him the knowledge and the information that he could return back to health because he knew how to. So that's what I rest in. And my kids are off doing toxic things right this very moment. Like I'm sure they are. They're college kids, right? Like that's just what they do. But I I feel confident in knowing that A, if they needed me with a health issue, I would be here for them. And I would do whatever they need to help support
them.
But B, I hope they took a few things away about nutrition, about sleep, about movement, and that I educated them over their years. but it is as a parent, there's a lot of letting go. You know, you do the best you can, but they're they're their own people and they're on their own journey and they're going to have they're gonna make choices and they're gonna make mistakes. and you know, we do the best we can to support them in whatever
Dr. Terry (48:59)
Hmm.
Beth Lambert (49:00)
way we can.
Dr. Terry (49:01)
Great answer. all right, Beth. After two decades of helping frightened and exhausted families, if you could sit with your twenty five year old self, what would you tell her?
Beth Lambert (49:16)
Don't ever take any antibiotics. you know what I think if I had like, yeah, I would say, I would tell my 25-year-old self, don't take any pharmaceuticals. I think they are just a they they just have a lasting effect. I would say, get in touch with your nervous system.
Understand that you have one and what it does and how to hear it when it is stressed and dysregulated. And nervous system is such a like nervous system regulation so buzzy right now. I feel like everyone's like everyone on Instagram's like, regulate your nervous system. I don't think anyone really knows what that means. But I think because I was talking about before, like where we are in this modern world and how stressed and fast paced, and especially since AI is coming, like I feel bad for everybody or anybody who has a job right now because
Everybody's boss is like, just make AI do it. Why aren't you more efficient? What's happening? Just use AI. Like that is going to take everyone's stress level up here because you know, everybody wants it fast, now, quick. So that existing problem I think is going to magnify. But if I could go back to my 25 year old self, I'd be like, hey, you have a nervous system, and sometimes it gets dysregulated, and sometimes, like, this is what stress feels like. And here's some tools that you can use to help.
restore balance 'cause if your nervous system's dysregulated, all that other stuff gets goes offline. Even your microbiome gets screwed up when your nervous system's out of whack. So I think that's like, you know, it's command central.
Dr. Spencer Baron (50:48)
Well, are we ready for rapid fire questions?
There's five of
Dr. Terry (50:53)
Let l
yeah, let's get her nervous system deregulated.
Beth Lambert (50:58)
Well.
Dr. Spencer Baron (51:01)
Well, you know, your answers are very robust, so we're gonna ask you to to come up with some brief answers to five questions. That's why we call it rapid fire questions. Are you ready?
Beth Lambert (51:13)
I'm ready.
Dr. Spencer Baron (51:14)
All right. Now, Dr. Terry asked you something, but you would ask yourself
Your twenty five year old self. Now let's move you twenty years from now ahead. What needs to change for you to say, Hey, we turned this around?
Beth Lambert (51:31)
Wow, that's a great question. I feel like we need to retrain ourselves to trust our intuition.
Because your intuition will guide all the other choices you make if you learn to trust it.
Dr. Spencer Baron (51:55)
I believe the the more aw the people are aware of those early warning signs that will help. I mean the early sign the earliest of signs. So very good. Question
Beth Lambert (52:03)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (52:04)
number two. All right, Beth. You get one completely responsible free day. No responsibilities, no kids, no work, no phone. Where are you and what are you doing?
Beth Lambert (52:19)
When I have nothing, no responsibilities,
Dr. Spencer Baron (52:22)
Right on.
Beth Lambert (52:23)
I go, I will go into nature. I will go for a hike, I will go for a walk, I would go to a beach. Like if I I live in an area where there's not a lot of nature, but I would find a natural setting. I would just hike, hike, hike, hike. I love mountains, I love vistas. By the way, vistas, the views, regulate your nervous system.
Dr. Spencer Baron (52:45)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (52:45)
So
Dr. Terry (52:46)
Hey
hey Beth, can you tell Dr. Spencer where the vista is? 'Cause he lives in s Florida where it's really flat.
Beth Lambert (52:54)
You gotta you gotta go up. The higher you get, the higher you get.
Dr. Spencer Baron (52:59)
we have to get a man made bridge to see anything, but thank you.
Dr. Terry (53:02)
Ha ha ha.
Dr. Spencer Baron (53:05)
Although we have some really nice beaches, all right.
Dr. Terry (53:08)
Yes, you do.
Beth Lambert (53:08)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (53:10)
All right. Question number three. What what's one supposedly healthy thing you just absolutely refuse to do?
Beth Lambert (53:19)
One healthy thing I refuse to do. my God, are you kidding? There's nothing.
Dr. Spencer Baron (53:20)
Yeah.
Beth Lambert (53:27)
one healthy thing I refuse to do. I'll I'll tell you. I I'll
Dr. Spencer Baron (53:29)
While you're thinking, I'll tell you go ahead. Yeah.
Beth Lambert (53:32)
think about it. I it's not that I refuse to do it, but I I'm resisting this one, which is you know, so much of the the the Jim Bros and the biohackers are talking about c cold cold therapy and thermogenesis and all this kind of stuff.
Dr. Spencer Baron (53:45)
Yeah, yeah.
Beth Lambert (53:47)
I
I I I really wanna protect my adrenals. So while I have done cold plunges, something in my intuition's like, I don't think that's good for you. I mean, I get it. Like I get it what it does to the mitochondria and helps improve your cellular health. Like I get that scientifically, intellectually, but my body's like mm
Dr. Terry (54:06)
Well, you'll like to know that our guest, Stacey Sims says women should not do cold plunges, so you're off the hook.
Beth Lambert (54:11)
I've heard that. Thank you.
Dr. Spencer Baron (54:14)
I'll tell you what Dr.
Terry's is. sardines is the new superfood.
Dr. Terry (54:20)
yeah. Ooh.
Dr. Spencer Baron (54:22)
He hates sardines.
Beth Lambert (54:23)
I yeah,
I kinda get that. Like I'll do them reluctantly, so I I'm with you on that one. They just mm
Dr. Terry (54:28)
Yeah, I I'm trying, but yeah, Spencer's way better at that than I am.
Dr. Spencer Baron (54:33)
He's he's so resistant that we had to get a whole show dedic
dedicated to sardines from a doctor Dr. Cleos who is who who's very
in aligned with all the things that you're talking about. But meant sardines? Really? I I just got a couple of cans in there back. Yeah.
Dr. Terry (54:46)
Yep. Yep. Yeah, I failed miserably. Yeah.
Beth Lambert (54:53)
I get
it. I get it.
Dr. Spencer Baron (54:55)
All right. Beth, you got we got two more questions. Question number four. What's something you're gonna love this one. What's something your kids tell us ab what's something that your kids would tell us about you that you'd rather we didn't know?
Beth Lambert (55:10)
I I got this one. This is my favorite one. So I I have I have three kids and my middle daughter is super intuitive. She's just like really just like and calm and just like she just walks into a room and she just like gets the vibe, right? She taught me this word for basically reflecting back to me that I'm my nervous system is on, you know, sim sympathetic overdrive. She'll say, Mom, you're twitchy.
Like that says it all, doesn't it? Doesn't that say it all? So like that's
Dr. Terry (55:43)
Right.
Dr. Spencer Baron (55:43)
It is that's great.
Beth Lambert (55:45)
what they would tell you is they would be like my mom gets twitchy.
Dr. Spencer Baron (55:48)
To achieve.
I love it. Yeah.
Beth Lambert (55:52)
I mean, don't you love them for that? Like they just mirror
back and you're like, You're right, I'm twitchy. You're right. I gotta breathe. She's nineteen. She's nineteen.
Dr. Spencer Baron (55:59)
How old did you say your daughter? How old is she? Nineteen? Yeah.
Yeah, I got a couple 20-year-olds that are staff, and I am learning more stuff about aura farming is like that's just a cool way of being or something, or something you can't. I'm learning
more stuff that I've never heard. They've got their own language. All right.
Beth Lambert (56:17)
I know.
Dr. Spencer Baron (56:19)
Last question for you. Now.
After twenty years of doing this and seeing what you can what can go wrong, what have you seen that makes you believe we can get this right?
Beth Lambert (56:34)
gosh, are you kidding? The number of people that I've seen r return to good health. and it gets it seems like it gets I say this hesitation because
It seems like it's getting easier and easier. There were parent I watched parents do this 20 years ago and they were all by themselves. There was no internet. They were not, I mean, there was internet, but it wasn't like it is now. There was no support groups and conferences and you know, training programs and all this kind of stuff. And they were doing it then. They were reversing their children's autism. They were reversing the autoimmune diseases. And now I see it accelerating where that's becoming common enough of a phenomenon that that people
People are like even mainstream medicine is taking it up now. So like this blew my mind just this week I learned about this. There's a professor at Duke University who has documented over 40 cases of ALS reversal.
Now I didn't even know that existed because
Dr. Terry (57:26)
No kidding.
Beth Lambert (57:28)
I've been documenting cases of full reversal of all kinds of chronic conditions, and I have done everything except for type 1 diabetes. But actually, right now I'm convening in November a type 1 diabetes think tank to try and see if we can get that one reversed. And ALS, that was the other one. I was like, hell ooh, ALS, you can improve the symptoms, like, but you know, the mitochondria. I I I've seen some improvement, but I never heard of anybody doing full reversal. So this Duke University, Duke University is a mainstream
Academic institution, you would not expect to see that there, but there's a professor there who's documenting it. So that gives me hope.
Dr. Terry (58:01)
Wow.
Beth Lambert (58:02)
I think we're I think we're on this trajectory now where recovery and reversal is mainstream, it's getting there. And then and and a lot of the listen, I sometimes I say you know bad things about conventional medicine. There are amazing, amazing parts of conventional medicine. We need it. Emergencies, surgeries, like there's just so many amazing pieces.
Chronic illness it hasn't really done a good job of, but it's starting to get there. I think AI is gonna change that. I think people coming forth with their recovery stories is gonna change that. So I am so hopeful because people are healing themselves and learning how to do that.
Dr. Spencer Baron (58:37)
Beth, I gotta tell ya, I looked at that website that you're was it documenting hope, total load or d right? Documenting hope.
Beth Lambert (58:42)
Back many home. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Dr. Spencer Baron (58:46)
I
I cannot get over. I just kept scrolling and scrolling through all the s the special people that are part of that program and all the conditions that you never thought could be I no, really, I th I'm not I'm not trying to pump this this this thing out there. I'm really fascinated by what I saw on that website. That all these conditions, these childhood conditions that nobody has any idea of how to reverse other than with medication that can be f
g can be helped, reversed.
Beth Lambert (59:19)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Dr. Spencer Baron (59:20)
So really thank you for all that and I appreciate and you answered your five questions really, really good. Thank you.
Beth Lambert (59:28)
thank you.
Dr. Terry (59:28)
Ha ha.
Dr. Spencer Baron (59:30)
Thanks for being on the show, Beth, really.
Beth Lambert (59:31)
Yeah. Yeah, my pleasure.
Yeah.